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Old 10-31-2017, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Finland
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NATO didn't use force in Yugoslavia? Borders didn't change? Ariete, stop your propaganda, use facts.



Only UN can solve such issues. Not NATO bombs.
NATO used bombs to stop the genocide and ethnic cleansing of Kosovo. If someone is using propaganda, it's you.

The UN couldn't do anything, as Russia would've vetoed any resolution on the matter. So bombs or a Serbian withdrawal were the only choices. Serbia refused.

This is what happened, and these are the historical facts. Also remember that it was a Finnish-Russian joint delegation that meditated the peace after the bombing, so Russia was involved.

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May be also ask another indigenous populations: Greeks, Genoese or Romans?
By the way, do you know main profitable business of the Tatars before arrival of Russians?
Didn't the Genovese move away?

The main business? Slaves?
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Old 10-31-2017, 03:04 PM
 
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What was NATO supposed to do? Wait with its hands tied with Russian veto in the UN while Serbs were killing and raping Bosnians?
I read a book once called Balkan Ghosts. Murder and bloodshed has been prevalent there for millenia. NATO stepped in and showed favor to the wrong people. What a mess.

Russia and its veto was obstructionist in light oof a solution. In reality it was none of Russias business at all.
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Old 10-31-2017, 03:11 PM
 
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I read a book once called Balkan Ghosts. Murder and bloodshed has been prevalent there for millenia. NATO stepped in and showed favor to the wrong people. What a mess.

Russia and its veto was obstructionist in light oof a solution. In reality it was none of Russias business at all.
It has, but that doesn't make the bloodshed in the 90's justified. And from the breakup of Yugoslavia we saw how impossible it was to keep the country together.

Not Russia's business, but still decided to veto?
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Old 10-31-2017, 03:36 PM
DKM
 
Location: California
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It is amazing that even now, Russians are trying to pin the Balkan war on NATO when it was NATO that finally got involved to solve it not to mention saved 100's of thousands of lives. It's Russia's intervention in the Balkans that caused WW1 and again enabled the Serbs to massacre so many people in the 90s. Be part of the solution? Not Russia's style then or now. Their final remaining client is Serbia, funny how every other Yugoslave state joined or wants to join NATO now. Oh but Kosovo! Wah wah, that's the Russia's fault for not preventing the massacres.

Russians ignore the root cause of conflicts they help create. They don't want to admit that the Ukrainian revolution was caused by their interference in Ukraine and don't want to admit that Kosovo was split off because we finally had to stop Serbs from ethnically cleansing it.
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Old 10-31-2017, 03:42 PM
 
Location: Russia
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What was NATO supposed to do? Wait with its hands tied with Russian veto in the UN while Serbs were killing and raping Bosnians?
I don't know. But I know that NATO has chosen bombs and expansion to the east. This has a consequence now and will have consequences for many years.
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Old 10-31-2017, 03:49 PM
 
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NATO used bombs to stop the genocide and ethnic cleansing of Kosovo. If someone is using propaganda, it's you.
Me??? I use fact: force and change borders.

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The UN couldn't do anything, as Russia would've vetoed any resolution on the matter. So bombs or a Serbian withdrawal were the only choices. Serbia refused.
Not any. You can always agree. If there is a desire to agree.

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This is what happened, and these are the historical facts.
Yes, it is historical facts. First change borders by force. We can discuss a reasons and make an assumptions. But the facts are as follows.

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The main business? Slaves?
The largest slave market in Europe before the arrival of Russians.
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Old 10-31-2017, 03:52 PM
 
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It's Russia's intervention in the Balkans that caused WW1 and again enabled the Serbs to massacre so many people in the 90s.
No comments.
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Old 10-31-2017, 03:53 PM
 
Location: Finland
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Me??? I use fact: force and change borders.
Yes, the Serbians used force and they lost.
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Old 10-31-2017, 03:56 PM
 
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Yes, the Serbians used force and they lost.
But they not attacked independent country without a UN resolution. NATO opened the Pandora's box and is ashamed to admit it.
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Old 10-31-2017, 05:18 PM
 
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But they not attacked independent country without a UN resolution. NATO opened the Pandora's box and is ashamed to admit it.
It wasn't a Pandora's box, it was to prevent another genocide, especially when Rwanda was only a few years before, and the West was blamed for doing nothing.

And teaching the Serbs and Milosevic a lesson was an additional bonus.
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