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Old 11-24-2021, 04:45 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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I would guess from the local sources.
You mean ordinary people just give Iraqi strangers dangerous tools? Unlikely.
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Old 11-24-2021, 05:09 AM
 
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Where are the axes and wire cutters coming from?
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You mean ordinary people just give Iraqi strangers dangerous tools? Unlikely.
I don't exclude it but by the "local sources" I mean governmental sources as well.
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Old 11-24-2021, 05:59 AM
 
Location: Tricity, PL
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I don't exclude it but by the "local sources" I mean governmental sources as well.
And who is bringing carloads of stones and bricks?
Or lasers?
Or blast rockets?
and who supplied them with smartphones with international SIM cards, so they can call their countrymen and spread the "great news"?

and who is advertising on FB and other social media one way "tours" with hotel and accommodation to cities near the border, and arranging illegal guides and transportation through the borders?

No need for vague answers - it's the Belarusian government (with help of the Russian too)
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Old 11-24-2021, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Russia
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So Lukashenko uses the refugees as pawns, how much lower that he can go? Besides there are about a dozen that have already died in Belavia and others freezing to death. As the refugees are pushed to the polish border, they are pushed back by Polish guards and troops and the refugees go back and forward, back and forward. With it they lack food as well.

People being pushed at the border and when they get the border pushed back reminds me of what Nazi Germany did in the 1930s where Polish Jews in Germany were sent to the Polish border and Poland did not want them and pushed them back. When they tried to get back into Germany the Nazi guards didnt allow them back into Germany so these Jews were forced to live in no mans land between Germany and Poland.

There are reports of children and babies died along the border and it is the same story as what happened in the German and Polish border before WW2 in the 1930s.

They are not treated like humans and no one really cares about them. Yet they are used by political pawns in the new cold war era.

If Lukashenko has major problems with the EU and Poland, surely there are other ways to help mend problems than going so low to use refugees from far away as political pawns.
Does Lukashenka use it ? Exactly?
Exactly for your own purposes? Honestly honestly?)) The goal is probably to get more sanctions and more problems.
Okay, that's rhetoric.
I don't follow this so-called crisis much.
This whole thing with refugees and other migrants is just a cruel show with extras. Someone needs to escalate the situation.
Why do I think so?
Well, this situation has been observed several times recently, just like a photocopy.
Then refugees storm the European borders inside the EU, then there, then here, then Spain, then somewhere else.
Then migrants come from Mexico, and it is indicative, gathering in a column, for some reason a few days away from the border and go beautifully so))
and all these cases are very characteristic and the same.There is a large crowd and a couple dozen strong young guys who work for the camera., diligently jumping and breaking barriers . And a little to the side, these barriers may not be at all.
In general, my opinion, this is a cruel show, which is not the first time on the screen.
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Old 11-24-2021, 03:28 PM
 
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And who is bringing carloads of stones and bricks?
Or lasers?
Or blast rockets?
and who supplied them with smartphones with international SIM cards, so they can call their countrymen and spread the "great news"?

and who is advertising on FB and other social media one way "tours" with hotel and accommodation to cities near the border, and arranging illegal guides and transportation through the borders?

No need for vague answers - it's the Belarusian government (with help of the Russian too)
But I already said that this whole event was organized by the "collective Lukashenko" as the revenge for.
Even when I was not aware of the lazers and blast rockets.
I don't think I was vague about it)))
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Old 11-24-2021, 09:50 PM
 
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I would guess from the local sources
The Iraqi go to a market in Minsk to buy wire cutters for their own use (watch minute 1:20)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVh1GB1ZP-4

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Old 11-25-2021, 03:05 AM
 
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The Iraqi go to a market in Minsk to buy wire cutters for their own use (watch minute 1:20)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVh1GB1ZP-4
Well that's why I was not sure about the origins of the wire cutters.
How about the blast rockets or lasers?
Do they buy them at the local market too?
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Old 11-25-2021, 07:08 AM
 
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Lukashenko forcefully defends his migrant policy in an interview with the BBC:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdxBOOnVgnY
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Old 11-25-2021, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Tricity, PL
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Well that's why I was not sure about the origins of the wire cutters.
How about the blast rockets or lasers?
Do they buy them at the local market too?
Who pays for that? They complain that they are cold and hungry but spend their money on wire cutters?
Smart phones with international SIM and calling plans aren't cheap either.
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Old 11-25-2021, 11:43 AM
 
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Belarus has been trying to get the "refugees" flights back to where they came from but the service is spotty at best. Just yesterday a scheduled flight from Iraq never showed up.
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