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Old 03-08-2013, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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IMO it is Louisville, Kentucky. Latitude 38.25

I don't consider Baltimore, DC, or Northern Virginia to be predominantly culturally southern (although they all have some southern influence).
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Old 03-08-2013, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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I'm sorry, but Baltimore is not the South. Neither is DC. If you honestly believe that, I feel sorry for you. Baltimore, just to barely even scratch the surface, is nothing like Philadelphia in terms of size.
Where did I say that Baltimore was the South? I don't take too kindly to being lectured by someone who doesn't even live anywhere near the East Coast.

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Baltimore and D.C. from a modern standpoint have about twice as much in common with Philadelphia as opposed to Richmond. Culturally, lingustically, and demographically.
Baltimore has similarities with Philly. DC...not so much.
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Old 03-08-2013, 04:32 PM
 
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I'm sorry, but Baltimore is not the South. Neither is DC. If you honestly believe that, I feel sorry for you. Baltimore, just to barely even scratch the surface, is nothing like Philadelphia in terms of size.

Baltimore and D.C. from a modern standpoint have about twice as much in common with Philadelphia as opposed to Richmond. Culturally, lingustically, and demographically.
Bajan was illustrating his post with an historical point of view, a recent one at that... living memory to some people.Baltimore was southern to some degree then.

There was no need to be abrasive and parrot your usual mantra_ Culturally, lingustically, and demographically
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Old 03-09-2013, 09:17 AM
 
Location: MD suburbs of DC
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Baltimore does have similarities with Philly, and it's true that DC doesn't. However, DC doesn't have very many similarities with cities south of there, either. It's sort of its own little region.
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Old 03-09-2013, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Jefferson City 4 days a week, St. Louis 3 days a week
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Baltimore does have similarities with Philly, and it's true that DC doesn't. However, DC doesn't have very many similarities with cities south of there, either. It's sort of its own little region.
I would tie DC the most heavily to Baltimore of any city. DC certainly does not have Southern culture, so I think that placing it in the Northeast makes more sense than placing it into the South. DC certainly has a lot more in common with Philly than Richmond from a modern standpoint, and anyone who says DC and Baltimore are nothing alike have forgotten that those two cities are a mere 50 miles apart and that their metro areas overlap with each other.
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Old 04-27-2014, 12:35 PM
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Some people have say that St. Louis, Belleville, Louisville, Cincinnati, Charleston, Washington, Baltimore, Wilmington and Atlantic City are southernmost northern cities, others say those same cities are northernmost southern cities. Which is kind of confusing to me. For me I don't consider any of those cities southern. They have nothing in common with New Orleans, Birmingham, Atlanta, Jacksonville and Miami.
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Old 04-27-2014, 12:55 PM
 
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Baltimore does have similarities with Philly, and it's true that DC doesn't. However, DC doesn't have very many similarities with cities south of there, either. It's sort of its own little region.
I always thought, economically at least, DC was tied to Philadelphia more than to Richmond. I think I agree with other posters: the south starts at Fredericksburg. At the same time, DC's not as "Northeastern" as other cities just by nature of being the nation's capital. But, for me, Baltimore feels like it's clearly in the North.

Some people argue that, geographically, DC is clearly southern, but I'm not sure I agree there, either: some of the suburbs that are just 5-10 miles away get 20" of snow on average every year, which is only 2" lower than Philadelphia. The summers are equally hot and humid.

I think most of Eastern/Southern Maryland can be clearly classified as "Southern," and most of Western Maryland is clearly "Appalachian" (which transcends the N/S divide). But the Balt-Wash metro areas are clearly Northern in this day and age, at least to me.
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Old 04-27-2014, 01:45 PM
 
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Some people have say that St. Louis, Belleville, Louisville, Cincinnati, Charleston, Washington, Baltimore, Wilmington and Atlantic City are southernmost northern cities, others say those same cities are northernmost southern cities. Which is kind of confusing to me. For me I don't consider any of those cities southern. They have nothing in common with New Orleans, Birmingham, Atlanta, Jacksonville and Miami.
I do consider Louisville Southern, with obvious Midwestern influences. St. Louis, Cincinnati, and Atlantic City have never been considered Southern.
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Old 04-27-2014, 01:56 PM
 
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I always thought, economically at least, DC was tied to Philadelphia more than to Richmond. I think I agree with other posters: the south starts at Fredericksburg. At the same time, DC's not as "Northeastern" as other cities just by nature of being the nation's capital. But, for me, Baltimore feels like it's clearly in the North.

Some people argue that, geographically, DC is clearly southern, but I'm not sure I agree there, either: some of the suburbs that are just 5-10 miles away get 20" of snow on average every year, which is only 2" lower than Philadelphia. The summers are equally hot and humid.

I think most of Eastern/Southern Maryland can be clearly classified as "Southern," and most of Western Maryland is clearly "Appalachian" (which transcends the N/S divide). But the Balt-Wash metro areas are clearly Northern in this day and age, at least to me.
It feels transitional to me, with Baltimore feeling more Northernized than DC, mainly due to its industrial history which DC lacks.
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Old 04-27-2014, 07:15 PM
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I do consider Louisville Southern, with obvious Midwestern influences. St. Louis, Cincinnati, and Atlantic City have never been considered Southern.
How do you know Atlantic City was never been considered Southern but Wilmington was considered Southern at one point even though both Atlantic City and Wilmington is on the same parallel and about 50 miles from each other? So that means Wilmington was never considered Southern at one point either?
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