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I would say that the way a region is perceived from outsiders holds just as much weight as how people who live in the area define it. That being said, I don't agree with NYC being mid-Atlantic whatsoever. If I had to follow state lines, I'd only say MD, DE, and DC are entirely in that region. But if I could, I'd include southern Jersey and northern VA. Maybe southern PA too, but I don't know that area well.
I would say that the way a region is perceived from outsiders holds just as much weight as how people who live in the area define it. That being said, I don't agree with NYC being mid-Atlantic whatsoever. If I had to follow state lines, I'd only say MD, DE, and DC are entirely in that region. But if I could, I'd include southern Jersey and northern VA. Maybe southern PA too, but I don't know that area well.
This is a very reasonable, and accurate, deduction, minus your first sentence.
I would say that the way a region is perceived from outsiders holds just as much weight as how people who live in the area define it. That being said, I don't agree with NYC being mid-Atlantic whatsoever. If I had to follow state lines, I'd only say MD, DE, and DC are entirely in that region. But if I could, I'd include southern Jersey and northern VA. Maybe southern PA too, but I don't know that area well.
New York City is definitely part of the Mid Atlantic. Its just on the northern fringes of the Mid Atlantic area. New York City is definitely not part of New England.
New York City is definitely part of the Mid Atlantic. Its just on the northern fringes of the Mid Atlantic area. New York City is definitely not part of New England.
After living nearly a decade in that region, every NYer I encountered (and with whom the subject was brought up), referred to NY as being in the Northeast.
If you're going by Census definitions, then DE, MD, DC, and VA are in the South.
I usually agree with you on various issues, but this is pretty inconsistent with your usual stance, as you have gone to GREAT lengths to prove that much of Missouri is not southern, to the point of "turning blue" yourself...
Missouri doesn't border Canada, and it's not the first state I think of as being "northern", but it doesn't have to be, either..
Ok, you dont get it......and I dont really appreciate the "blue" comment, btw.
Tell me ONE thing MO has in common with upper-tier northern states.
Just one.
The culture is not the same, neither is the geography.
You have never lived in the lower Midwest, so you cannot understand the mindset.
I really do not understand why is is that you believe everything has to be strictly North/South.
Thats consistent with viewing everything in black and white, and refusing to see everything is really just infinite gradations of gray.
One last thing, you have seen that I am certainly not the only one that has spoken about the MO/Southern issue, I dont even know why you brought it up, as it is a non sequitur.
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I would say that the way a region is perceived from outsiders holds just as much weight as how people who live in the area define it.
After living nearly a decade in that region, every NYer I encountered (and with whom the subject was brought up), referred to NY as being in the Northeast.
The Northeast and the Mid-Atlantic region can go hand and hand. When people ask me what region I'm from, I usually say the Northeast before I say Mid-Atlantic but that doesn't mean I don't live in the Mid-Atlantic region. Are you getting it?
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If you're going by Census definitions, then DE, MD, DC, and VA are in the South.
It seems like your trying to put words in my mouth , being in the Mid-Atlantic region has little to do with the Mason-Dixon line.
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It seems like your trying to put words in my mouth , being in the Mid-Atlantic region has little to do with the Mason-Dixon line.
.... who said anything about the Mason Dixon line? I am asking, what definition of the Mid-Atlantic you adhere to - The MD, DE, VA, DC definition (the most common in my experience), or the US Census definition of NY, NJ, PA? If you are going by the Census definition, I am informing you that the Census classifies MD, DE, VA, and DC as Southern and not Mid-Atlantic.
.... who said anything about the Mason Dixon line? I am asking, what definition of the Mid-Atlantic you adhere to - The MD, DE, VA, DC definition (the most common in my experience), or the US Census definition of NY, NJ, PA? If you are going by the Census definition, I am informing you that the Census classifies MD, DE, VA, and DC as Southern and not Mid-Atlantic.
I'm going by the definition that includes the DC area to the New York City area. The census version is probably the furthest from reality. Its puts way to much emphasis on the Mason-Dixon line, as I have said this in previous posts.
I'm going by the definition that includes the DC area to the New York City area. The census version is probably the furthest from reality. Its puts way to much emphasis on the Mason-Dixon line, as I have said this in previous posts.
Basically, your definition fuses the Census definition with the more common (at least in my area) definition of Mid-Atlantic. I don't think the Census definition puts too much emphasis on the Mason-Dixon line. If that were the case, it wouldn't include Delaware in the South as it is north and east of the Mason-Dixon. It simply goes by history and culture at the time the Census regions were established.
Ok, you dont get it......and I dont really appreciate the "blue" comment, btw.
Tell me ONE thing MO has in common with upper-tier northern states.
Just one.
The culture is not the same, neither is the geography.
You have never lived in the lower Midwest, so you cannot understand the mindset.
I really do not understand why is is that you believe everything has to be strictly North/South.
Thats consistent with viewing everything in black and white, and refusing to see everything is really just infinite gradations of gray.
One last thing, you have seen that I am certainly not the only one that has spoken about the MO/Southern issue, I dont even know why you brought it up, as it is a non sequitur.
Please.
One thing? Missouri harvests a lot of corn. As do Iowa, and Illinois, and Minnesota, and Wisconsin..
Unlike you, I have also lived in both the Midwest and the Northeast, and going from one to the other didn't require much of a adjustment at all. I could go from Wisconsin to Maine to Vermont to Illinois to upstate NY, and I would have no trouble talking about dairy farming, or hockey, or shoveling snow, or the Catholic Church, or Blue state politics, or enjoying freshwater lakes, etc, etc,etc. I don't particulary care what you decide about Missouri--just don't tell me about some wide chiasm between Midwest and Northeast, because in quite a few cases, it doesn't exist.
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, being in the Mid-Atlantic region has little to do with the Mason-Dixon line.
