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Finally. I have finally seen the admission that East Asians are lighter than a self-professed White person, which is what everybody is skirting around so long in this thread. "White" skin is really pink. Look at your own arm now. Nobody is white in color. A light White person looks more rosy/pink than a light East Asian person.
Asians avoid the sun (usually Asians from Asia, and not Asian Americans raised in the US) because of a morbid fear of looking old and leathery. The biggest fear and nightmare of Asian women is to ever look like this http://emdayface.files.wordpress.com...130475_015.jpg
The lack of any pink in most light East Asian skin tones makes them look ivory, this is the reason why some East Asians look lighter than untanned Europeans.
Your Chinese friend will remain tanned as long as he stays in the sun and his skin will lighten in the winter, even more so if he lives in a place with long winters (Midwest, Northeast). I have seen many people of European ancestry who live long-term in sub-tropical areas in North America, Southern Europe and Southeast Asia. These white people are not lightening any time.
Gettit? Finally?
Did this anger of yours build up over a whole month? Only in this last post do you seem to understand or acknowledge what I'm saying. Then you act like your telling me something. Gettit! I don't think you know what you're arguing for or against. I never said Asians can never be "lighter" in overall skin appearance when compared to a piece of paper. I made this very clear. But their skin is different and reacts less adversely to the sun, regardless of how light it is. You even talk about a Chinese person remaining tan in the summer sun. You have to understand that many northern Europeans don't tan very well, or at all. They have to wear a lot of sunscreen, and if they are out for extended periods, their skin turns red and painful hot to the touch burn. This is precisely my point. Most of the light Asians have brunette white skin, which is parchment white when away from the sun, but does tan easily and only burns with extended sun (and never to the extent of a red haired European). An Asian woman like this has very light skin http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...8Dky%C5%8D.jpg
but likely wouldn't start to turn red and burn after ten minutes in the hot sun. In fact she would likely tan.
Overall, the distribution of skin tone is much more varied in countries like Korea and japan, where people can have very light almost white skin, and brownish dark or olive in the same population. Only a very small percentage of Irish have olive, and none have brownish dark. Only a very small percentage of Koreans would be as sun sensitive as your average Irish person. You can't lump Europeans all together, as skin tone can be dramatically different. Irish and Dutch can't be compared to Spanish and Greek as much as comparing Korea to the Philippines.
You can, specially eastern from western europeans, and northern from southern europeans
Maybe in the states its harder because white groups are quite mixe, however in mainland europe its way easier a group of dutch and french look nothing alike, neither a group of germans or brits.
For example that girl looks very german, Although I could picture her as being dutch aswell, but never british.
I personally believe the last picture of british girls is by far the most standard "white-american" looking there.
You're implying nonsense. Yes, in the earliest part of the 20th and late 19th century, most Americans were of northwestern European ancestry particularly from Great Britain, Ireland, Germany and Scandinavia. At that time most were of a very light pigmentation/"Anglo-Saxon-looking"/Northern European( according to a study in eye color, at least 57% were blue-eyed). Puritans were originally from East Anglia(one of Britain most Germanic genetical region), it was them who created New England Nevertheless, this isn't the case today with white Americans who have multiple European ancestries and the level of blue-eyed or Northern European looking has decreased greatly. The bulk could somewhat fit in the northwestern European fold(British Isles, Iceland, Scandinavia, Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg and northern France) but will not be specific. So yes there are many white Americans who have British ancestry, but not necessarily typically very British-looking.
The third one is more similar to what I look in terms of hair colour and complexion, but I wouldn't say that is average for a white American. It was easy for you to only show dark-haired people for Britain forgetting there are plenty of British especially English people who are blonde/red-haired, blue-eyed since they are Northern European too. I have my red hair from my paternal English/Anglo-Saxon side and so do most of my siblings. So you cannot judge only based on colouring, it takes more than that.
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Considering most white americans are of largely mixed ancestry, however in many of them you can tell they are for some reason white americans and not off-boat europeans, what european ethnicity would you say is the most similar to White americans? The British/Irish (very similar groupd to each other) or the Germans?
It would be of worth value if people who actually traveled to those areas could add their personal input and not based on stereotypes.
In your opinion whose features are more familiar for a white american perspective?
According the new Census paper published in 2013, the estimate is 317 million people for the U.S. population and by far the largest ancestral group from coast to coast across 21st century America is German!! 49,206,934 have German ancestry, with the majority of German-American living in the Mid-West or center of the country. Ben Affleck, Tom Cruise, Walt Disney, Henry.J.Heinz, Oscar Mayer are all famous German Americans. German culture introduced the first kindergartens, Christmas trees, hot dogs, hamburgers to America. Despite having no colonies in the New World, the first Germans immigrants arried in the U.S. in the 1670's and settled in New York and Pennsylvania. You didn't know that, did you? It's never too late to learn.
According the new Census paper published in 2013, the estimate is 317 million people for the U.S. population and by far the largest ancestral group from coast to coast across 21st century America is German!! 49,206,934 have German ancestry, with the majority of German-American living in the Mid-West or center of the country. Ben Affleck, Tom Cruise, Walt Disney, Henry.J.Heinz, Oscar Mayer are all famous German Americans. German culture introduced the first kindergartens, Christmas trees, hot dogs, hamburgers to America. Despite having no colonies in the New World, the first Germans immigrants arried in the U.S. in the 1670's and settled in New York and Pennsylvania. You didn't know that, did you? It's never too late to learn.
I am pretty sure the Traveler86 poster is gone for good. His nonsense has finally come to an end.
Yes but that applies to the whole British Isles and Ireland, the ancient british populations were related to other atlantic european populations, paleolithic hunter gatherers whom inhabitated those areas several thousand years ago (western france, Northern iberia and the British Isles.
All you've said is rubbish. The English athlete below is of Celtic descent from Cornwall and is definitely lighter than the average German. Put in mind that Cornwall is the darkest region in England. Palaeolithic hunter-gatherers were from northern Iberia to Finland! The Northern European Component genome we have today is from them. Actually recently a 7,000 years remains of a Prehistoric hunter-gatherer found in northwestern Spain has been genetically linked to the people of Sweden and Finland(Northern Europe), not to the people of Iberia/southwestern France and he had very light blue eyes apparently but his skin was not that light yet. That's why you have to know what you're talking about or else will easily ridicule yourself. The term "Black Irish" was a stereotypical term given in America to people who did not fit in the stereotype of what an Irish person was seen to be, usually with red hair or even brown/blonde hair, blue eyes and a very fair skin tone. If you were Irish and darker than that stereotype, you were labelled as "Black Irish". Not the whole Ireland could be called that, 80% of Irish people have blue/green eyes and 95.6% have skin type I,II and III! They're as pale as heck! Do you even know what you're implying? I doubt it!
I'm having trouble believing 40% of Japanese women use skin bleaching products. Avoiding the sun? Yes, of course. Putting on a ton of makeup? Obviously. But I've never met a Japanese guy or girl who uses skin bleaching products and it wasn't exactly heavily promoted the last time I was there (unlike a lot of other cosmetic products).
You have never or you just didn't know a thing about it. You having trouble understand anything! Skin bleaching/skin whitening has its biggest market in Japan and the Pacific regions.
This is all true, but it remains the case that as agriculturalists first spread out of the Middle East, they hugged the coastlines for quite some time. Britain's first farmers may have crossed the Channel, but they occupied coastal France and areas further south. They didn't seem to have heavy penetration yet into Central Europe, as hunter-gatherer populations held on in Holland and Germany for thousands of years following.
The bottom line, as I said elsewhere, is that both Germany and Britain are mainly mixtures of Southern (roughly speaking, near eastern farmers) and Northern (mesolithic hunter-gatherers). The British are almost perfectly balanced between these two components, but Germans are around 5% shifted in the "northern" direction.
Wrong! The Nothern European Component is slightly higher in the indigenous British population than in that of German. This is well documented and supported by the Genographic Project.
you wrong, according to mmega and saxonwold all britons are tall blonde nordic featured people, you dont find someone like mr bean in england, those are migrants from greece, not real britishmen.
Yes there are diversity in eerycountry but dont tell me there arent difference between european countries, the average people in a little town in spain, italy or greece look very different to the average person in a little town of sweden, denmark or finland.
Britain is very diverse (within its wide variation of british phenotypes) but even among that diversity many of those phenotypes are very british looking, such as wayne rooney, noel gallagher, Winston Churchill, Michael carrick, Bryan may, Bruce dickenson, Tony Blair, Nick griffin, etc. There are so many British types that I wouldnt imagine as being anything But British or Irish.
The same for germans, I see many german faces I would never ever guess as British men, such as Oliver Khan, Manuel Neuer, Michael Schumacher, thomas muller,etc.
There is many variation within european countries but even those variation more often than not is recognizable as typical from every country.
Its not that hard to tell some nationalities apart, but seems its politically incorrect to point out those differences
Stop with the lies. There is no place where I have quoted that all British are tall and blonde, because they are not. However I was saying that you, Don Caballero in particular were wrong, when you were trying to say that the British and Irish are as dark as Iberian which the biggest lie so far. There's variety in every country including Germany. You probably had an inferiority complex towards Germans due to your own reason I guess. However the British Isles population pigmentation is comparable to those in Northern Europe. Ireland is not dark as you were saying, recent pigmentation studies even proves this and show Ireland to be even lighter than Poland and much lighter than Iberia(e.g. Portugal) and Italy.
This is what you didn't know. Irish population is a northern European and this is why, its population as well that of the British genetically clusters well with other northern European populations. Ireland is not as dark as you were trying to paint it and is not darker than that of North Germany.
North Germany (hair colour statistics)
12.5% (ash-blonde)
13.68% (golden blonde)
32.8% (medium/light brown)
32.5% (dark brown)
7.3% (black)
0.5% (reddish-brown/reddish)
1% (red)
By this study we can see that the Germans have a higher frequency of ashen hair colors than Irish and at the same time the Irish have a higher of frequency of reddish hair. Most of the blonde shades among the Irish is of the golden tone. In terms of golden blonde shades, they are similar. In over-all pigmentation the Irish are comparable to the North Germans, with a slightly higher frequency of light eyes and very fair skin. The Irish are lighter than Central and Southern Germans, those populations are similar to Poles in pigmentation. In anthropological terms, the Irish are more rufous and upper Palaeolithic.
Who is whiter than who? When will the freak show of a thread finally get a bullet in its head?
I have contacted moderators about it. I am suspicious of an agenda of Saxonwold's to keep the thread open. He does this on all the racist threads started by Traverler86. Something very fishy is going on here.
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I don't think you know what you're arguing for or against. I never said Asians can never be "lighter" in overall skin appearance when compared to a piece of paper. I made this very clear. But their skin is different and reacts less adversely to the sun, regardless of how light it is. You even talk about a Chinese person remaining tan in the summer sun. You have to understand that many northern Europeans don't tan very well, or at all. They have to wear a lot of sunscreen, and if they are out for extended periods, their skin turns red and painful hot to the touch burn. This is precisely my point. Most of the light Asians have brunette white skin, which is parchment white when away from the sun, but does tan easily and only burns with extended sun (and never to the extent of a red haired European). An Asian woman like this has very light skin
