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Sometimes Virginia is considered a southeastern state because of their culture, other times Virginia is a northeastern state because of geography. DC and Maryland are usually considered Northeast due to their location in the US. Delaware used to be part of New Jersey and Delaware has always been considered a northeastern state throughout Delaware's existence. Baltimore-Washington Metropolitan Area, Chesapeake Bay and Delmarva Peninsula should not be split into 2 regions.
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Originally Posted by BajanYankee
What does that have to do with the Mid-Atlantic and the South Atlantic? Those states are technically members of both, but really only "officially" members of one.
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Originally Posted by muppethammer26
There is no official definition which states are Mid-Atlantic and South Atlantic. People can make up their own regions and include which states should be part of which region.
Regarding Delaware:
I think you mean Delaware used to be part of Pennsylvania and before that, New York.
Regarding Virginia:
I agree with BajanYankee on this. Probably the vast majority of people consider Virginia to be a Southern State. This does not mean it is not also a Mid-Atlantic state because the Mid-Atlantic spans both the North and the South. BTW - The State of Virginia regards itself as Southern not Northeast.
Virginia, Delaware, DC and Maryland are Mid-AtlanticandSouth Atlantic.
[quote=LINative;34483194]Regarding Delaware:
I think you mean Delaware used to be part of Pennsylvania and before that, New York.
If Delaware used to be part of Pennsylvania, New York, and before that, New Netherland and was a middle colony and later a middle atlantic state and finally a northeastern state, then how did Delaware became a South Atlantic State rather than a North Atlantic State (New England+Mid Atlantic) even though Delaware is geographically located in the North Atlantic Region? It doesn't make sense like that while NY, NJ and PA are still considered Mid Atlantic States and sharing common history with Delaware.
Regarding Delaware:
I think you mean Delaware used to be part of Pennsylvania and before that, New York.
If Delaware used to be part of Pennsylvania, New York, and before that, New Netherland and was a middle colony and later a middle atlantic state and finally a northeastern state, then how did Delaware became a South Atlantic State rather than a North Atlantic State (New England+Mid Atlantic) even though Delaware is geographically located in the North Atlantic Region? It doesn't make sense like that while NY, NJ and PA are still considered Mid Atlantic States and sharing common history with Delaware.
What is a "North Atlantic State"?
You can't conflate different definitions together to reach a desired outcome. The Census Bureau defines the "Northeast" as the Middle Atlantic (excluding DE, MD and DC) and New England. You can't accept one Census definition (Middle Atlantic + New England = Northeast) and then reject another simply because you don't like it.
Mid-Atlantic and South Atlantic need not be mutually exclusive. Logic dictates that they can't be since it's almost universally agreed that Virginia is part of both.
I had always thought of the Washington area as the middle or southern mid-Atlantic, with the northern extremity stretching perhaps to New York City and the southern limit to southern Va. A number of dictionary definitions, however, refer to the mid-Atlantic as NY, Pa, NJ, Md., De., and Va. In other words, northern NY, on the Canadian border, is technically part of the mid-Atlantic. Other definitions sometimes include WV, the 3 southern New England states of Ct, RI, and Ma., and even the Carolinas.
You might be surprised to learn that for U.S. Census purposes, the mid-Atlantic ONLY includes New York, Pennsylvania, and New Jersey. I would say, therefore, that the term "mid-Atlantic" is as much a matter of geography as it is of climate, economics, dialect, and yes, state of mind.
You can't conflate different definitions together to reach a desired outcome. The Census Bureau defines the "Northeast" as the Middle Atlantic (excluding DE, MD and DC) and New England. You can't accept one Census definition (Middle Atlantic + New England = Northeast) and then reject another simply because you don't like it.
Mid-Atlantic and South Atlantic need not be mutually exclusive. Logic dictates that they can't be since it's almost universally agreed that Virginia is part of both.
The North Atlantic States includes New England (ME, NH, VT, MA, RI and CT) and the Middle Atlantic States (NY, NJ, PA, DE, MD, DC, WV and sometimes VA). If there is a South Atlantic States region, then why you don't hear about the North Atlantic States region?
The Northeastern States includes all the states that are part of the North Atlantic States plus the Great Lakes States such as Michigan and Illinois.
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