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Did you read your own link? The case is not closed:
- "Its exact definition differs upon source, but the region often includes Delaware, Maryland, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Washington D.C., New York, Virginia, and West Virginia."
- It continues: "West Virginia and parts of Virginia are atypical of this region in several ways."
- And this: "When discussing climate, Connecticut (especially southern Connecticut) is often included with the mid Atlantic region."
Believe what you will. Given even the links you rely on differ in interpretation, however, you are wasting your time if you expect everyone on this board to agree with you. Case closed.
Did you read your own link? The case is not closed:
- "Its exact definition differs upon source, but the region often includes Delaware, Maryland, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Washington D.C., New York, Virginia, and West Virginia."
- It continues: "West Virginia and parts of Virginia are atypical of this region in several ways."
- And this: "When discussing climate, Connecticut (especially southern Connecticut) is often included with the mid Atlantic region."
Believe what you will. Given even the links you rely on differ in interpretation, however, you are wasting your time if you expect everyone on this board to agree with you. Case closed.
Maine is also "atypical" of the Northeast in several ways. It doesn't change the fact that it's the Northeast.
Besides, the DC area is also "atypical of the region in several ways." Where are the millions of Italians and Puerto Ricans? And where was the heavy industry that drew in those immigrants???
The fact is that the Northeast extends all the way down through the BOSRAL corridor.
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LOL at Bos-Ral corridor. Raleigh is part of the Piedmont Crescent in NC which extends through the Triad (Greensboro, Winston-Salem) to Charlotte, which itself is part of the I-85 corridor through Atlanta on to Alabama. So just call it the Bos-Bama corridor.
Maine is also "atypical" of the Northeast in several ways. It doesn't change the fact that it's the Northeast.
Besides, the DC area is also "atypical of the region in several ways." Where are the millions of Italians and Puerto Ricans? And where was the heavy industry that drew in those immigrants???
The fact is that the Northeast extends all the way down through the BOSRAL corridor.
How about you simply google ethnic Europeans and Jewish enclaves in DC, and the history of Southwest DC and Swampoodle since you seem to always bring this subject up when discussing DC's demographic past and its correlation with regional cultures. The presence of European immigrants (mainly from the 1870s to the 1960s) may not have been as all over the place as it was in New York, Boston, Philly, Baltimore, etc. But they were still here and made their presence felt. People who actually did their homework on this subject matter are aware of the various ethnic European enclaves that used to populate DC. It wasn't just a city of old money politicians, WASPy whites, Georgetown blacks, and emigrant Southern blacks. It was a decent melting pot with working class whites native to the area and ethnic European immigrants as well. As I've been trying to inform people on this site, DIVERSITY IS NOTHING NEW TO DC. Also as a side course, Maryland was founded as a Catholic colony and it had a very large population of Germans and Laurel used to be a large Jewish area. And of course, there's the Baltimore area with their Italians, Poles, Greeks, Appalachians, Jews, etc. And knowing that you're gonna touch on the state's large black population as a result, there are blacks living in cities, suburbs, exurbs, towns, the countryside, etc. all over this state. Blacks had a major presence in this state since slavery (as if the Northeastern and Midwestern states didn't practiced it. Btw, New York is still self-segregated....That's an American social issue regardless of region) and when Southern blacks were migrating up here en masse for better opportunity and social mobility. Honestly, it's quite obvious you have an obsession with what constitutes mid-Atlantic and deep down inside, you regard the DC area as southern because it doesn't have any LOL Puerto Ricans and Dominicans? So what the hell is South Florida then? What is "Northeastern culture"? What is "Southern culture"? What is "American culture"?
It was a decent melting pot with working class whites native to the area and ethnic European immigrants as well.
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Honestly, it's quite obvious you have an obsession with what constitutes mid-Atlantic and deep down inside, you regard the DC area as southern because it doesn't have any LOL Puerto Ricans and Dominicans? So what the hell is South Florida then? What is "Northeastern culture"? What is "Southern culture"? What is "American culture"?
The truth is I don't really care "what constitutes Mid-Atlantic." I just find it funny that people want to insist that a certain place is or is not "Mid-Atlantic" or "culturally Mid-Atlantic" when it's not even clear what that means.
There's the historical/academic definition of the "Middle Colonies" (NY, NJ, PA and DE). These are the rough boundaries the Census (minus Delaware) used in creating its regions and divisions. According to the Census, the Middle Atlantic and New England constitute the "Northeast."
Then there's the colloquial definition of "Mid-Atlantic," which is really all over the place. Yet people believe they can authoritatively say where it begins and where it ends.
I really don't see how anyone can realistically add much below the old Mason-Dixon line to the northeast. You really need some data to justify it.
Very good points Bobilee.
The difference in the "Protestant Map" is especially striking. You can really see the difference between Virginia and West Virginia versus the Northeast states.
Location: That star on your map in the middle of the East Coast, DMV
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I go away for one week and look where this thread has gone. How did we get back to another NE vs the South argument? This thread is about the Mid-Atlantic as a subregion. The Mason Dixon says the South starts at MD/ DE. I feel the South starts at the VA border however none of this has anything to do with what is Mid-Atlantic or not. The Mid-Atlantic is from NJ-VA period. I don't care how many people in NJ feel their "culture" may differ from Virginia. Both states are Mid Atlantic, and most definitely everything in between is also. The Mid-Atlantic subregion cannot be just made of states north of the Mason Dixon. That is where you could begin to argue North vs South. This thread is about the middle. And if the hypothetical mid point is the Mason Dixon, states on both sides of that border make up what is the "middle Atlantic states." MD/PA/NJ/VA/DE honestly it ends there, if you add NY or NC it's really just stretching it.
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