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Old 04-10-2015, 07:17 AM
 
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You lose credibility when you start a thread on Police violence, and then say that Police here have a "Right" to "Murder" people, when you know that's not the truth. Trolling?

For one, you have no clue as to why each person is killed, and don't seem to really care. You seem to also ignore the fact that a lot of this "Police Violence" is triggered protests that turn violent when a few trouble makers attack the police, or by Looting, using a peaceful protest as an excuse. In many European Countries, Police would shoot looters, but you don't see that here. Almost all of the time, the violence is triggered by thugs and trouble makers.

Some people do not know how to use the freedoms they have here, and push the Police to the limits to see how far they can go, or to get a response they want. They abuse their freedoms, so don't blame it all on the Police since that's seems to be your agenda.
This.. The media is quick to jump to conclusions without telling the full story and the general public is quick to believe it without knowing the full story. This has been an ongoing cycle for so long to the point that many believe that there is now a widespread "problem" with "Police violence" .. There seems to be a cloud of ignorance to the fact that police officers have a very dangerous job to fulfill and they literally put their lives at risk every day to deal with the worst of society.

As Boris stated, if a person is confronted by a police officer it is mostly likely because they did something WRONG or UNLAWFUL and if they did not then there is no reason to become violent and not cooperate. I see these stories over and over about how a person was "shot by a police officer" but yet there is little insight as to why the police confronted the person to begin with and ended up in an escalated situation where they HAD to draw their weapon because the person was being violent towards the police. Of course this is never mentioned or discussed because it doesn't make a goods story for the media, the media loves to stir public controversy and thrives on creating anti-police resentment. When was the last time that you saw a story about a police officer doing something good? Such as the police officer that provided shoes to a homeless man in the streets of New York? Or the police officer that rescued a child from a car in flames? Or the police officer that helped a woman in labor on the side of the road?
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Old 04-10-2015, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Finland
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Did you type that in a serious matter? did you not have any second thoughts or do you really think this way?

not trying to be mean, i'm just curious.
Not really, but this is just something so out of my world! It's just so hard to comprehend why those people are so evil and how it's possible that the system doesn't have any regulation on Police work.

My country has criminals too, yet things like this just don't happen... Also the Police is one of the most respected professions and they are highly trained.
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Old 04-10-2015, 12:55 PM
 
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But is the alternative any better? That is, a neutered police force?

The Department of Justice has virtually neutered the Seattle Police Department for abuses in their use of force. The result? A police force that is virtually powerless and turns a blind eye to all forms of crime. Now, Seattle has criminals openly dealing drugs in the streets, and criminals feel very confident that Seattle PD won't do anything about it. Open shootings are becoming more frequent and go unpunished. Seattle, by and large, has become partially lawless due to the DoJ neutering SPD.

As much as it might offend notions of fairness, I think that we really shouldn't discourage police officers from doing their job.

And crime has gone down as a result...Property crimes and drug crimes shouldn't be fixed by jail them...they should be fixed by fines and debt. Only 4% of our population commits violent crimes. Lets focus on that 4% and not the others who are just trying to make a quick buck. Those who are trying to make a little cash won't make it far regardless of them getting in jail or not. Honestly, if cops stopped being racist and treated everyone the same then crime would go down. Tell cops to get out of black communities and let them live their lives. Why are they there? Maybe we should make a law saying only black cops are allowed to police black communities and only Mexicans Mexican communities.
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Old 04-10-2015, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Finland
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This.. The media is quick to jump to conclusions without telling the full story and the general public is quick to believe it without knowing the full story. This has been an ongoing cycle for so long to the point that many believe that there is now a widespread "problem" with "Police violence" .. There seems to be a cloud of ignorance to the fact that police officers have a very dangerous job to fulfill and they literally put their lives at risk every day to deal with the worst of society.

As Boris stated, if a person is confronted by a police officer it is mostly likely because they did something WRONG or UNLAWFUL and if they did not then there is no reason to become violent and not cooperate. I see these stories over and over about how a person was "shot by a police officer" but yet there is little insight as to why the police confronted the person to begin with and ended up in an escalated situation where they HAD to draw their weapon because the person was being violent towards the police. Of course this is never mentioned or discussed because it doesn't make a goods story for the media, the media loves to stir public controversy and thrives on creating anti-police resentment. When was the last time that you saw a story about a police officer doing something good? Such as the police officer that provided shoes to a homeless man in the streets of New York? Or the police officer that rescued a child from a car in flames? Or the police officer that helped a woman in labor on the side of the road?
Well the truth is that people don't get shot by police in my country.

I just wondered why American police kills so many people, that's all... Like if there's a real shootout then I understand that they didn't have any other option. But as you can see by the videos I posted, it's not the case everytime.

PS. I'm sorry if my academic interest offends some of the more patriotic americans. I hope you can have proper conversations with your fellow citizens, because this forum surely isn't accepting any "wrong" opinions. Also democracy can't work without some rational conversation.
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Old 04-10-2015, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Fayetteville, Arkansas via ATX
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PS. I'm sorry if my academic interest offends some of the more patriotic americans. I hope you can have proper conversations with your fellow citizens, because this forum surely isn't accepting any "wrong" opinions. Also democracy can't work without some rational conversation.

Your "academic interest" (if that is actually what it is) is based in a complete lack of understanding of a vast, diverse, and complicated country. Your worldview is obviously extremely narrow and your understanding limited to your own experience.

To me, your question, coming from Finland, would be like someone in a small town in Minnesota asking arrogantly "why is there so much crime in Memphis? What is wrong with that city and those people?" You believe yourself to be intelligent and in some way superior, but your question betrays your simpleness and lack of experience outside of your sheltered, homogeneous socialist environment.
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Old 04-10-2015, 02:16 PM
 
Location: USA
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because they're fascist, paranoid turds.
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Old 04-10-2015, 02:19 PM
 
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Your "academic interest" (if that is actually what it is) is based in a complete lack of understanding of a vast, diverse, and complicated country. Your worldview is obviously extremely narrow and your understanding limited to your own experience.

To me, your question, coming from Finland, would be like someone in a small town in Minnesota asking arrogantly "why is there so much crime in Memphis? What is wrong with that city and those people?" You believe yourself to be intelligent and in some way superior, but your question betrays your simpleness and lack of experience outside of your sheltered, homogeneous socialist environment.
The original poster is correct about America. He may not know the history behind why, but he is correct about excessive force. The reason to why involves straying away from community policing AND Ronald Reagan's efforts to fund the war on communism in Nicaraguaby pushing crack cocaine in to African American communities after the death of Martin Luther King; similar to what the British did with China and opium. This raised the incarceration rate to levels that the world has never seen before and also increased violence against the police force, so in modern day they were given weapons that only used to be permissible for the US army oversees. Side note--Black men and women's marriage rate and two parent household up until the 70's was always historically higher than whites.
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Old 04-10-2015, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Finland
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Your "academic interest" (if that is actually what it is) is based in a complete lack of understanding of a vast, diverse, and complicated country. Your worldview is obviously extremely narrow and your understanding limited to your own experience.

To me, your question, coming from Finland, would be like someone in a small town in Minnesota asking arrogantly "why is there so much crime in Memphis? What is wrong with that city and those people?" You believe yourself to be intelligent and in some way superior, but your question betrays your simpleness and lack of experience outside of your sheltered, homogeneous socialist environment.
Please explain me why this kind of problems are nonexistent in the EU.
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Old 04-10-2015, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Finland
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The original poster is correct about America. He may not know the history behind why, but he is correct about excessive force. The reason to why involves straying away from community policing AND Ronald Reagan's efforts to fund the war on communism in Nicaraguaby pushing crack cocaine in to African American communities after the death of Martin Luther King; similar to what the British did with China and opium. This raised the incarceration rate to levels that the world has never seen before and also increased violence against the police force, so in modern day they were given weapons that only used to be permissible for the US army oversees. Side note--Black men and women's marriage rate and two parent household up until the 70's was always historically higher than whites.
Thank you for your intelligent post.

What would be the history I'm not aware of? Even in Russia or China this problem doesn't exist.
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Old 04-10-2015, 03:39 PM
 
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Finland is the size of Arkansas and has a population that could fit into a neighborhood in LA, and everyone is related (is that homogeneous!)

how is that comparable to a Federation of fifty states, six territories and 320 million people of all sorts of backgrounds!!

is like comparing one single raising to a massive bowl full of fruit salad!

oh look, you just called an entire country INBRED

what is wrong with you ?
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