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Furthermore, in the last couple of decades, the major cities, especially NYC have absorbed a ton of 'General American/Midwestern' transplants.
The Midwest is part of the North. Or is the thread only referring to the Northeast?
It is a common error to lump the Midwest in with the northeast as if it were all one cohesive northern culture. No such thing as a "northern culture", but there is a distinct Midwest culture and a northeast culture. In the south we share more common culture than the northern states do but even here there is great differences between different parts of the south.
I know a guy from Europe that considers American culture to be chicken wings, beer, American football, deer hunting. Therefore, Buffalo is the true American culture.
It is a common error to lump the Midwest in with the northeast as if it were all one cohesive northern culture. No such thing as a "northern culture", but there is a distinct Midwest culture and a northeast culture. In the south we share more common culture than the northern states do but even here there is great differences between different parts of the south.
There's not even a cohesive Northeastern culture honestly. Someone from western Massachusetts shares more in common culturally with someone from Michigan than with someone from south central Pennsylvania.
A very parochial post. The South received very few 19th century immigrants from Europe, and thus remained outside of the cultural forces which eventually shaped modern-day America. The South is largely just Anglo-Saxon Protestant America, with very little of anything else.
It's not 1865 anymore, but I sense that parts of the South have never changed from that, and they truly missed out.
False.
Many parts of the South have between 30% to 40% African American. That shaped the culture as much as the Anglo-Saxon Protestants. Also, Louisiana was French mainly and Texas was mainly Spanish. New Orleans received more Irish immigrants than NYC in a couple of earlier years. Same for Italian immigrants.
A very parochial post. The South received very few 19th century immigrants from Europe, and thus remained outside of the cultural forces which eventually shaped modern-day America. The South is largely just Anglo-Saxon Protestant America, with very little of anything else.
It's not 1865 anymore, but I sense that parts of the South have never changed from that, and they truly missed out.
Wait, what???? African Americans from the South or with Southern roots in other parts of the country played an extremely significant role in shaping modern American culture, particularly as far as arts and entertainment go.
Let me repeat: The South did not receive and significant EUROPEAN immigration during the massive wave that arrived from roughly 1860-1920, thus it comes across as simply WASP , for the white portion of the population. Not too many Little Italys , or any Polish enclaves, or any Scandinavian settlements, largely just Scot-Irish Protestants, with the corresponding African-American population..
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That is very true. Looking at just the *white* people, the Northeast and Midwest are very different from the South (though like anything else there is going to be some overlap, particularly in rural areas).
Let me repeat: The South did not receive and significant EUROPEAN immigration during the massive wave that arrived from roughly 1860-1920, thus it comes across as simply WASP , for the white portion of the population. Not too many Little Italys , or any Polish enclaves, or any Scandinavian settlements, largely just Scot-Irish Protestants, with the corresponding African-American population..
Let's focus on the Italian immigration. New Orleans was a large destination in your cherry picked time frame of 1860-1920.
"Many Italian immigrants in New Orleans were from Sicily and started to arrive in large numbers in the 1880s to escape a homeland, that had fallen into a corrupt, dangerous, and unlawful state. They arrived in a city where previous Italian immigrants had already established a decent-sized community, dating back to the French era. In fact, the Italian-born Henri de Tonti, as part of a French expedition, explored Louisiana even before New Orleans existed and later became a leader in the fledgling colony. A street named Tonti still exists in the city."
Charleston and Galveston also received Italian immigrants.
I always love educating Northerners on our unique Southern culture.
By the way, Louisiana is not WASP. It was settled mainly by the French Catholics (Creoles and Cajuns). So was southern MS and AL. Texas and Florida was mainly settled by the Spanish.
It is a common error to lump the Midwest in with the northeast as if it were all one cohesive northern culture. No such thing as a "northern culture", but there is a distinct Midwest culture and a northeast culture. In the south we share more common culture than the northern states do but even here there is great differences between different parts of the south.
I've noticed that when many people refer to'up North', 'the North', and 'Northerners', they are referring to the Northeast. I've seen where many, but not all people from the Midwest consider themselves Northerners or from the North. I've wondered if being up North or from the North referred to the Northeast only, then why do we have the term 'Northeast?' I've also noticed that a lot of people from the North don't identify as Northerners until they move to or visit the South and are referred to as that; however, there are some in the Northeast, especially New England, who refer to themselves as Yankees.
Let's focus on the Italian immigration. New Orleans was a large destination in your cherry picked time frame of 1860-1920.
"Many Italian immigrants in New Orleans were from Sicily and started to arrive in large numbers in the 1880s to escape a homeland, that had fallen into a corrupt, dangerous, and unlawful state. They arrived in a city where previous Italian immigrants had already established a decent-sized community, dating back to the French era. In fact, the Italian-born Henri de Tonti, as part of a French expedition, explored Louisiana even before New Orleans existed and later became a leader in the fledgling colony. A street named Tonti still exists in the city."
New Orleans is an exception. And their Italian immigration was nothing compared to NY or Boston or Chicago.
To this date you can see the effects of this in maps of US ethnic ancestry. Italian, for example:
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