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Let me repeat: The South did not receive and significant EUROPEAN immigration during the massive wave that arrived from roughly 1860-1920, thus it comes across as simply WASP , for the white portion of the population. Not too many Little Italys , or any Polish enclaves, or any Scandinavian settlements, largely just Scot-Irish Protestants, with the corresponding African-American population..
You weren't as specific in your earlier post and you're still mistaken about the South's role in shaping modern American culture.
You'll see that there is more diversity in the South than the North. The North is mainly German dominated counties. The South has its share of "American" which is basically old line British heritage but you have the French influence in Southern Louisiana (only northern Maine has a similar French influence but northern Maine has far less population than New Orleans, Lafayette, Baton Rouge, and Lake Charles). You have the Mexican influence in Texas.
Only in the Northeast corridor NJ-NYC-West CT do you have Italian concentrations and only in New England for Irish. Florida is a mixed bag with even some Puerto Rican counties, in addition to German, American (old line British), Mexican, African American and even Italian. Looking at this map, it looks like Florida and Louisiana are the most diverse states!
You'll see that there is more diversity in the South than the North. The North is mainly German dominated counties. The South has its share of "American" which is basically old line British heritage but you have the French influence in Southern Louisiana (only northern Maine has a similar French influence but northern Maine has far less population than New Orleans, Lafayette, Baton Rouge, and Lake Charles). You have the Mexican influence in Texas.
Only in the Northeast corridor NJ-NYC-West CT do you have Italian concentrations and only in New England for Irish. Florida is a mixed bag with even some Puerto Rican counties, in addition to German, American (old line British), Mexican, African American and even Italian. Looking at this map, it looks like Florida and Louisiana are the most diverse states!
Floridas Italians (and Germans, and Jewish, and even a lot of its British) almost unanimously moved here from the North, and are one of the key elements of why our state isn't really part of the South. Very few if any of Floridas Italians have Southern roots.
I can't speak for Louisiana Italians. I have only met British and French descents from there.
Floridas Italians (and Germans, and Jewish, and even a lot of its British) almost unanimously moved here from the North, and are one of the key elements of why our state isn't really part of the South. Very few if any of Floridas Italians have Southern roots.
I can't speak for Louisiana Italians. I have only met British and French descents from there.
Louisiana Italians did not migrate from the North. They have been part of the society for a couple of hundred years. Some of the signature cuisine in New Orleans, like the muffaletta come from the Italian influence.
There is also a large Irish population in New Orleans. There is even a part of New Orleans called the "Irish Channel". The St. Patrick's Day Parade there is the largest in the South.
I think many of the assumptions about the South are because the people on here may have only visited the Carolinas, Virginia, and Georgia. Those places have a lot of British blood on the plains and Scots-Irish in the Appalachians.
The South Central area like MS, AL, LA, FL, TX is far more interesting and far more diverse.
There is a French section from southeast TX to coastal Alabama, encompassing all the states in between for like between the coast and at least 50 miles inland (more in Louisiana itself). Florida is a complicated mixture as you point out.
Louisiana is probably the most unique state. It is fully Deep South in all regards but French Catholic instead of WASP like nearby states. A bit of old Paris, Quebec City in the delta...
You'll see that there is more diversity in the South than the North. The North is mainly German dominated counties. The South has its share of "American" which is basically old line British heritage but you have the French influence in Southern Louisiana (only northern Maine has a similar French influence but northern Maine has far less population than New Orleans, Lafayette, Baton Rouge, and Lake Charles). You have the Mexican influence in Texas.
Only in the Northeast corridor NJ-NYC-West CT do you have Italian concentrations and only in New England for Irish. Florida is a mixed bag with even some Puerto Rican counties, in addition to German, American (old line British), Mexican, African American and even Italian. Looking at this map, it looks like Florida and Louisiana are the most diverse states!
That map only shows *one* ethnicity (the largest in each county) so I wouldn't really call it a "diversity" map. It just so happens that Germans are the largest ethnicity in a large swath of the northern US, but that doesn't mean that the counties those Germans are the largest group in are homogeneous. For example, the suburbs around St. Louis have Germans as their largest group, but that doesn't mean those suburbs are more homogeneous than, say, the suburbs around Richmond, VA.
Floridas Italians (and Germans, and Jewish, and even a lot of its British) almost unanimously moved here from the North, and are one of the key elements of why our state isn't really part of the South. Very few if any of Floridas Italians have Southern roots.
I can't speak for Louisiana Italians. I have only met British and French descents from there.
How about some stats and links to back up this wild claim?
And Florida is indeed a part of the South. You can't move geography nor erase History.
How about some stats and links to back up this wild claim?
And Florida is indeed a part of the South. You can't move geography nor erase History.
What wild claim? That Florida's Italians came from the North? That's just.... common knowledge. You ask any Italian American here in Florida and they are probably going to tell you their family came by way of NY, NJ, Chicago, Connecticut, etc.
Just flip to the state of Florida and you can see where our states residents started coming from as early as the 1900. Note the surge in Northerners around 1910-1920.
Your last two sentences. No it's not. Not culturally, historically, ancestrally, religiously, etc etc. I see you think of things in simple latitude but it actually isn't how this works.
Your last two sentences. No it's not. Not culturally, historically, ancestrally, religiously, etc etc. I see you think of things in simple latitude but it actually isn't how this works.
Oh, that's rich!
You live in a manufactured reality of total denial when it comes to every aspect of your home State.
Your last two sentences. No it's not. Not culturally, historically, ancestrally, religiously, etc etc. I see you think of things in simple latitude but it actually isn't how this works.
Florida is IN the South, that's a fact. Now when you talk about demographics and culture and what not, that's where things aren't quite as clear cut.
But seriously, it's 2017 and a good bit of the South is changing--faster in some places than in others. Although the West doesn't have the same history as the South, it has managed to tolerate diversity among its constituent states a lot better than the South. I don't see anybody trying to kick Utah and Idaho (heck, even Arizona) out of the region because they are politically, ideologically, etc. different than California, Oregon, Washington, etc.
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