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And what exactly are those valid concerns? Are they set off by certain media sources who prey on irrational fear like brown illegal immigrants plotting to put some sort of white holocaust in motion? The only valid concern here I see is economical but that is a concern for all races.
Let's see things like jobs, the economy, drug epidemics, etc. Bottom line painting every single white male in the US as some type of neo-nazi racist is not going to do the left any favors. Most white people in rural America are not racist but when you have a large segment of the political establishment/media trying to demonize them (like Bernie Sanders did when he said "white poverty does not exist"), when most just want to be able to work, pay the bills, and support their family (just like everyone else) then that pretty much explains why someone like Trump was able to get elected as President of the United States even though he is a flawed candidate.
Also as a side note illegal immigrants have been proven to depress wages especially in certain fields like the construction industry (this affects everyone by the way).
Let's see things like jobs, the economy, drug epidemics, etc. Bottom line painting every single white male in the US as some type of neo-nazi racist is not going to do the left any favors. Most white people in rural America are not racist but when you have a large segment of the political establishment/media trying to demonize them (like Bernie Sanders did when he said "white poverty does not exist"), when most just want to be able to work, pay the bills, and support their family (just like everyone else) then that pretty much explains why someone like Trump was able to get elected as President of the United States even though he is a flawed candidate.
Also as a side note illegal immigrants have been proven to depress wages especially in certain fields like the construction industry (this affects everyone by the way).
Exactly, what we really need to discuss is the demonization of white people in general.
I wonder how millions of white people who are living in poverty throughout America feel when they see wealthy people on TV telling them that they're the privileged ones? This constant belittlement of white people and their problems fuels white supremacism.
People need to see the bigger picture. When a group of people are being constantly told that they are the root of all the world's evils, and encouraged to be ashamed of their culture and history, then of course some are going to speak up for themselves. At this point they are shut down as "racists", and this denial of legitimate platform for them to speak up for themselves drives them underground, and this is when they become radicalized by white supremacist ideologies.
Let's see things like jobs, the economy, drug epidemics, etc. Bottom line painting every single white male in the US as some type of neo-nazi racist is not going to do the left any favors. Most white people in rural America are not racist but when you have a large segment of the political establishment/media trying to demonize them (like Bernie Sanders did when he said "white poverty does not exist"), when most just want to be able to work, pay the bills, and support their family (just like everyone else) then that pretty much explains why someone like Trump was able to get elected as President of the United States even though he is a flawed candidate.
I believe I mentioned the economy as a valid concern and it is a valid concern for people of all races. As far as the drug epidemic goes there is no piece of legislation that can curb a person's addiction to drugs. Especially considering that this new drug epidemic is fueled by legal drugs. This seems to be a social issue that can be best addressed by those personally affected by drug addiction.
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Also as a side note illegal immigrants have been proven to depress wages especially in certain fields like the construction industry (this affects everyone by the way).
It's funny how people blame immigrants for depressing wages but never blame the companies that hire them because they want to keep labor costs low. It says a lot about people's attitudes and is part of the reason why the 'r' word gets bandied around.
Today's rural American Whites should not be demonized because yes they face hardships like everyone else but demonizing other groups of people as the problem isn't going to solve their problems as well.
Let's see things like jobs, the economy, drug epidemics, etc. Bottom line painting every single white male in the US as some type of neo-nazi racist is not going to do the left any favors. Most white people in rural America are not racist but when you have a large segment of the political establishment/media trying to demonize them (like Bernie Sanders did when he said "white poverty does not exist"), when most just want to be able to work, pay the bills, and support their family (just like everyone else) then that pretty much explains why someone like Trump was able to get elected as President of the United States even though he is a flawed candidate.
Also as a side note illegal immigrants have been proven to depress wages especially in certain fields like the construction industry (this affects everyone by the way).
Exactly.
What's happened is that you have the political establishment, Washington class, whatever you want to call them, demonizing white people, especially rural/small town white people. What the media conveniently forgets is that the "swing voters" in the places that tipped the election to Trump (IA, MI, WI, PA) were overwhelmingly white, voted for Obama, swung to Trump, and have voted Democratic for a generation.
I don't think we've really hit the peak of this radicalization yet. Being 30, it's my generation in the urban areas that are on the streets doing all this protesting. I think the real wave of radicalization is going to hit in another five to ten years when people who are now 15-20 starting voting en masse. I think they will be far more conservative than Millennials.
I believe I mentioned the economy as a valid concern and it is a valid concern for people of all races. As far as the drug epidemic goes there is no piece of legislation that can curb a person's addiction to drugs. Especially considering that this new drug epidemic is fueled by legal drugs. This seems to be a social issue that can be best addressed by those personally affected by drug addiction.
It's funny how people blame immigrants for depressing wages but never blame the companies that hire them because they want to keep labor costs low. It says a lot about people's attitudes and is part of the reason why the 'r' word gets bandied around.
If these certain industries hire American the cost of their services will go up, bottom line.
Yes, the economy is a concern for people of all races, but it is more nuanced than this.
Over the last decade, an increasing share of the nation's GDP and overall prosperity has been consolidated in major cities. Here in Tennessee, Nashville is getting the lion's share of prosperity, probably outsized even in relative to its percentage of state population. Who disproportionally populates major metro areas? Minorities.
Meanwhile, small towns and rural areas, where disproportionate numbers of white people live, have taken it on the chin as manufacturing has closed down, contracted out, been automated away, or sent offshore. Certain industries, like tobacco and coal which have historically provided a good number of jobs in Appalachia, are politically out of favor. Office jobs that went along with these industries, and were once based in the small towns and rural areas, have often been sent to major metros. Our town once had a glass plant's corporate HQ and a factory - the plant closed, the office hung on for a few years, then all those jobs were relocated to Atlanta. My aunt works for a cable company which has large numbers of office staff here, and those are being consolidated to St. Louis.
My hometown is home to a major chemical company. While number of staff on site is roughly the same as it was a couple of decades ago, direct FTE headcount is about half of its peak. That delta is filled mostly with contract staff, who often have lower wages and few if any benefits.
When you live in one of these communities and see opportunities closing, your peers drug-addled and dying, and receiving no help or even acknowledgment of the issues from your state leadership and Washington, it's easy to look for alternate solutions.
It's funny how people blame immigrants for depressing wages but never blame the companies that hire them because they want to keep labor costs low. It says a lot about people's attitudes and is part of the reason why the 'r' word gets bandied around.
Today's rural American Whites should not be demonized because yes they face hardships like everyone else but demonizing other groups of people as the problem isn't going to solve their problems as well.
I agree that employers should also be penalized for knowingly hiring illegal immigrants (although many illegal immigrants possess fake documents which may be hard for them to determine wether or not they are legit).
Anyways I don't recall anyone here or in real life demonizing other groups of people (aside from a few racist nutjobs like Dylann Roof) however throwing terms like "white privilege" around isn't exactly going to bring people together to solve problems that are currently affecting our country and society. Because at the end of the day unless you are a rich celebrity or your family have loads of old money wealth that was inherited (ie Rockafellers, Rothschilds, George Clooney, etc which is the real definition of privileged) then chances are everything that you have obtained was probably due to the fact that you worked hard for it just like everyone else on this planet.
I'm leaning towards biology triggered by society first then race & I'm not sure politics can be implicated as a "cause".
If anything politics might be a secondary irritation. There has been a massive shift of expectations of men just within the last 3 generations that is in direct conflict with their DNA. Everything from industry, technology, civil rights & the legal system has changed faster in the last 50-100 yrs than any other element that has shaped human evolution.
And the impact on males has been much more disruptive than for females. A seven year old boy was suspended for chewing his pop tart into the shape of a gun & "pow-powing" his classmates. Throw a snowball & you get ISD. In the 1960's & early 70's, high school boys who got caught fighting got sent to coach to put the gloves on & "work it out".Now, that results in criminal charges. The energy & strength once harnessed to work a field & tend the livestock is now called ADHD. The "might makes right" factor that was once needed to protect your pregnant wife & offspring is now considered aggressive & inappropriate ... Illegal.
Anything once considered an attribute for a male 100 yrs ago has been almost criminalized. What we are seeing in society now is what happens to the male society during incarceration: They align by race (tribal behavior), stake out "turf" & design rank based on male dominance factors.
Human adaptation to changing enviornments was always determined by the human changing the enviornment as well as physical adaptation that takes place over hundereds of years & multi-generations. Basically, I feel like the human male in a developed society/country has been backed into a corner & now they are pushing back. This is the RE-action, not a curious phenomena that started by who knows what.
My hometown is home to a major chemical company. While number of staff on site is roughly the same as it was a couple of decades ago, direct FTE headcount is about half of its peak. That delta is filled mostly with contract staff, who often have lower wages and few if any benefits.
When you live in one of these communities and see opportunities closing, your peers drug-addled and dying, and receiving no help or even acknowledgment of the issues from your state leadership and Washington, it's easy to look for alternate solutions.
So instead of blaming the selfishness of the corporations, their management, the SCOTUS and their approval of corporations as people, etc. - you look for "alternate" solutions?
I can tell you what the problem is. Your fellow Americans. Not DC - although DC (see: Citizens United) now reflects 100% what your fellow Americans want to do to lower your wages and *********.
On top of this there is a efficiency component - productivity is increasing, computers and robots replace people etc.
The solutions would seem obvious. Create a society that keeps PEOPLE at the center of it and address these known trajectories (car factories of the future probably will have 1/20th the workers - what do you do with the other 95% who used to be needed).
I get the sense that many people see this problem - but due to their brainwashing in "anti-socialism" do not see the obvious answer(s).
Our problems are actually great ones to have! Too much wealth - too much productivity - too much efficiency. Where we go wrong, IMHO, is that corporations are the center of our universe instead of Human Beings.
Truly, social media played a big role in the radicalization of all young men , not just White. However, being the fracturous and non cohesive group they are, young White males never could find much empathy or support from their own. Taking the Dylan Roofs etc. of the world out of the equation and dealing with your average young White male looking for a future in a society that openly mocked and ridiculed the very existence of the White male in the first instance.
Social media was a platform to vent and air one's grievances to a receptive and emphatic audience. From what I have read from some young White males, many finally felt free to express themselves without the condemnation or recriminations from the Liberal left for even mentioning racial issues. Why should they be excluded from airing their views ?. Easier said than done , with social media filling that gaping need for open and free communication.
As some others have stated, to my knowledge, the radical White hate groups are few and far between. Such an insignificant amount anyways to warrant the generalizations borne of ignorance from sections of the community. From what I have seen, far more militant and violence prone groups on the other end of the spectrum. Is it just now, many anti-White groups and individuals are quite astounded those goofy White guys could actually unify, and that bit is really scary to them. How can you blame them ?. If you were brought up watching TV and a media constantly portraying White males as incompetent and idiotic , then it will resonate in varying degrees among many minority groups. A very real impression has been formed and will continue to flourish unless some pushback from that same much maligned group.
So instead of blaming the selfishness of the corporations, their management, the SCOTUS and their approval of corporations as people, etc. - you look for "alternate" solutions?
I can tell you what the problem is. Your fellow Americans. Not DC - although DC (see: Citizens United) now reflects 100% what your fellow Americans want to do to lower your wages and *********.
On top of this there is a efficiency component - productivity is increasing, computers and robots replace people etc.
The solutions would seem obvious. Create a society that keeps PEOPLE at the center of it and address these known trajectories (car factories of the future probably will have 1/20th the workers - what do you do with the other 95% who used to be needed).
I get the sense that many people see this problem - but due to their brainwashing in "anti-socialism" do not see the obvious answer(s).
Our problems are actually great ones to have! Too much wealth - too much productivity - too much efficiency. Where we go wrong, IMHO, is that corporations are the center of our universe instead of Human Beings.
The problems are multifaceted are cannot be boiled down to simple causes like "the corporations" or "the government." Your perspective of "too much wealth and efficiency" really speak to how divorced you are and what a poor understanding you have of conditions and areas that are not so well to do as those in your bubble.
Many corporations are indeed exploiting a docile, frightened populace - medical insurance companies are a great example.
In many cases, the government is actively pushing policies that increase poverty. Policies against the coal industry, while viewed as well-meaning by doe-eyed liberals on the coasts, raise energy prices and negatively impact employment in other regions of the country. Where I am, the municipal politicians are desperate for any sort of economic growth and new employers, so they throw out massive incentives, ultimately handing out millions of taxpayer dollars for businesses that have mostly failed within a few years. Our little city is drowning and the government is promising the sun and stars to any prospective help. The state government in Nashville should, on paper, be promoting the entire state and working to improve areas that are struggling - instead, they do nothing to promote struggling areas in Tennessee, and focus on promoting themselves.
On one hand, the federal government takes an active role of pushing us into poverty, and on the other end, the flow of welfare and assistance is at a level just enough to keep people subsisting and lazy. I know several families that have multiple generations on social assistance, and where whole families have no one local working. No, it isn't a glorious living, but it's enough to subsist living in some crummy trailer on a hillside somewhere.
Many working age poor whites, especially here in Appalachia, are neither working nor looking for work. They're often on drugs, into crime, and at the margins of society. They're far from "wealthy and efficient" - in fact, many are idle and poor.
If you're idle and poor, you lack hope, and if you lack hope, for whatever reason, it's easy to become idle and then poor. Once you have time on your hands, lack hope, and see your community and historical way of life crumbling around you, yeah, it's easy to look for those alternate solutions. "Wealth and efficiency" is a buzzword for the information economy on the coasts and NFL cities.
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