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Old 05-06-2010, 08:32 AM
 
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Try it before you buy it.
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Old 05-06-2010, 08:34 AM
 
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I wonder how differently America would look, and work, if people actually did wait until marriage for sex.

- There would be far less poverty.
- There would almost certainly be far less crime.
- There would be far more productivity in the workplace.
- Our taxes would be considerably lower.

I could live with that.
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Old 05-06-2010, 08:36 AM
 
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Try it before you buy it.
And the counter-point is, why buy the cow when you can get all the milk for free.

Unfortunately, pithy little cliches don't anybody much good.
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Old 05-06-2010, 08:36 AM
 
Location: southern california
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not true its not the only thing you can and will give your husband there is always the divorce$$$ and the MC bills.
as to celibacy. women have not avoided pregnancy by celibacy they did it by the pill.
guys need a pill badly to kill sex drive. w/o male sex drive the entire nasty little game collapses. the church will be thrilled utter purity forever. lots and lots of beautiful spotless columbariums.
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Old 05-06-2010, 08:41 AM
 
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not true its not the only thing you can and will give your husband there is always the divorce$$$ and the MC bills.
as to celibacy. women have not avoided pregnancy by celibacy they did it by the pill.
guys need a pill badly to kill sex drive. w/o male sex drive the entire nasty little game collapses. the church will be thrilled utter purity forever. lots and lots of beautiful spotless columbariums.
Now if only you could write that in a way that makes sense, we'd be able to understand you.
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Old 05-06-2010, 08:47 AM
 
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Now if only you could write that in a way that makes sense, we'd be able to understand you.
for most it will not make sense fewer will actually understand it.
but to be on topic, for the most part concepts of purity and morality fell apart 50 years ago. fidelity purity respect are the driving forces behind abstaining from sexual activity. i say these thing to you not so that you will understand but so your post will look less like an attack.
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Old 05-06-2010, 09:15 AM
 
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for most it will not make sense fewer will actually understand it.
but to be on topic, for the most part concepts of purity and morality fell apart 50 years ago. fidelity purity respect are the driving forces behind abstaining from sexual activity. i say these thing to you not so that you will understand but so your post will look less like an attack.
I'm talking practical, and being pragmatic here.

I fail to understand how & why people think that having sex is some sort of slap against religion. It's not. But that mindset does give a glimpse into why so many people are so unhappy sexually.

It doesn't take a genius to see that teenagers having sex - and dealing with the consequences that inevitably follow - is bad for a society.
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Old 05-06-2010, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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I wonder how differently America would look, and work, if people actually did wait until marriage for sex.

- There would be far less poverty.
- There would almost certainly be far less crime.
- There would be far more productivity in the workplace.
- Our taxes would be considerably lower.

I could live with that.
Actually crime rate was higher in our past history, when sex before marriage didn't happen very often (well, except with prostitutes anyway).

I'm not sure where you get the no poverty thing from? I'm pretty sure if you asked your average citizen in England during the middle ages if they had lots of money, they'd probably slap you, and sex outside of marriage was outlawed under much of that time.

Why would productivity in the workplace increase? I think the more sex men are capable of having, the harder they work for it.

Why would our taxes be lower? Unwed mothers on welfare? Different topic all together.
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Old 05-06-2010, 01:11 PM
 
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Actually crime rate was higher in our past history, when sex before marriage didn't happen very often (well, except with prostitutes anyway).

I'm not sure where you get the no poverty thing from? I'm pretty sure if you asked your average citizen in England during the middle ages if they had lots of money, they'd probably slap you, and sex outside of marriage was outlawed under much of that time.

Why would productivity in the workplace increase? I think the more sex men are capable of having, the harder they work for it.

Why would our taxes be lower? Unwed mothers on welfare? Different topic all together.
First of all, people have been having sex before marriage for as long as there have been people, and there has been marriage.

Second, I did not say NO poverty or crime. I said FAR LESS.

Fewer teenage pregnancies means fewer people living in poverty.
As Teen Pregnancy Dropped, So Did Child Poverty (washingtonpost.com)

Fewer people living in poverty means lower crime.
Does Poverty Cause Crime? | eHow.com

Fewer people in prison means more people to work at paying jobs. More work at paying jobs means a broader tax base, with fewer welfare (I'm using the term very loosely) recipients. This would lead to more people paying taxes, and less people living off said taxes. It also means more people would be sharing the tax burden, which would lower everyone's taxes.


Here's the crux of the matter: Studies have shown that pregnancy is typically caused by having sex (I just realized this, now that all of my kids are adults ).

If teenagers were not having sex (I realize this isn't going to happen in the real world) there would be no teen pregnancies.

Would saving sex for marriage - and the obvious fact that that means teens are not having recreational sex - be better for society? Yes. Absolutely!
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Old 05-06-2010, 04:35 PM
 
Location: Portlandia "burbs"
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I wanted to get off the immigration and such for awhile.
So here it goes, my daughter is 19-20 in December-and is still a virgin. Now the debate is did I pound into her too much that it is the one thing that boys want after a date or its because it is the only thing you can truely give your husband that noone else has. I don't know if I have done right by her, she has yet to keep a boyfriend over 6 months. I know she is young, but I was married by her age.

Opinions do matter here.

Well, she's entering the age where purity won't matter so much. I'm all for keeping the legs closed during the teen years; girls often give in to sex for the wrong reasons, anyway, and I don't think kids are cautious enough with prevention.

Teenage motherhood is the fastest route to poverty there is.

But once they've phased into their 20's, and have a pretty good idea of where they'll be in life (to a point), I think they're more responsible with their choices.

A man who place too high a premium on virginity is questionable to me.

I waited until I was in my 20's. Didn't care whether I was one of the few who did or not. Nothing freaked me out worse than the idea of being "stuck" with a baby, and in high school I didn't socialize. My best friends were married and became parents before age 20.
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