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Old 11-19-2018, 03:41 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Nope. A child of immigrants has no roots in the United States - no family from the United States. They usually think of themselves as foreign.

When asked where they are from, they say they're from some other country.
Have you talked to any real life children of immigrants?
Most of them would be offended by the question "where are you from" and would insist that they're from the city they're born and raised. By the third generation they would lose their native language and whatever religion and custom the first generation brought with them.

I also don't get where you get the idea that Italian Americans whose great grand parents moved here still identify with Italian culture. Most of the time the only way I can tell if someone has Italian heritage is by their last name.
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Old 11-19-2018, 03:41 PM
 
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I'm a black American! Look at you with these assumptions.
Some people are trying to make this a race thing - it is not. The AA are as American an apple pie, from day 1 to now. This comes down to roots, not race.
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Old 11-19-2018, 03:59 PM
 
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Have you talked to any real life children of immigrants? Most of them would be offended by the question "where are you from" and would insist that they're from the city they're born and raised.
Are you serious? I'm surrounded by them everyday. New Yorkers.

They speak of themselves like they're from some other country - like they have nothing to do with the United States.

A typical question initiated by them is "Where are from? What's your nationality?", and the assumption is that everyone is really from some place else. You can't tell them your an American and identify with one of the states. They don't even understand the concept that there are people who are from this country.

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Old 11-19-2018, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia/South Jersey area
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A people united neither by heritage or shared experience have very weak bonds. No?
no.

and most people have a shared experience.

If you are born here or legally take the oath of citizenship you are a "real" american.
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Old 11-19-2018, 04:02 PM
 
Location: 912 feet above sea level
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The space doesn't allow for the full title I wanted. But essentially do you (your forefathers) have had to have played a role in the nations key formative events. I placed 1865 as the cut off as the CW is the definitive event in US history. I mean to truly be from the US does the likes of Lexington and Concord have to mean something to you?

Essentially, unless you have connections to such epic events are you not less American than those who shaped the nation. It follows that 'real Americans' (not hyphened) are inevitably rooted in Western Europe and the AA population.

Just a thought exercise. The US is becoming too far detatched from what made it 'America'.
Gee, why did you happen to choose 1865? What could it possibly be?



That was the real start of the erosion of the white/male/straight/Christian dominance of America. Don't like it? (rhetorical question, for you obviously don't)

Too bad!
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Old 11-19-2018, 04:11 PM
 
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Gee, why did you happen to choose 1865? What could it possibly be?



That was the real start of the erosion of the white/male/straight/Christian dominance of America. Don't like it? (rhetorical question, for you obviously don't)

Too bad!
I chose 1865 *ONLY* as it was the cut off of the great shaping event of US history. Those in the land before that played a role in US formative history. Nothing to do with what your insinuating. My posting history *PROVES* I just don't think in those terms.
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Old 11-19-2018, 04:18 PM
 
Location: The analog world
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I'm intrigued about why you would choose the cut off as 1865 and then proceed to bring up Lexington and Concord, which kicked off the Revolutionary War just shy of a century earlier.
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Old 11-19-2018, 04:45 PM
 
Location: The High Desert
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This comes down to roots, not race.
It comes down to shared values and respect for one another and the willingness to hang together as Americans. One's ancestry or roots or race are not part of the equation. If you think that those things matter most of all then you are not a "real" American.
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Old 11-19-2018, 05:12 PM
 
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Another going nowhere topic,,good night.
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Old 11-19-2018, 05:30 PM
 
Location: (six-cent-dix-sept)
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anyone who is a u.s. legal resident is an american. my parents are literally card carrying members of that club. they literally have american permanent resident i.d.'s (the beige and burgandy cards). the old green cards were labeled as u.s. legal alien i.d.'s which sound like they dont belong.
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