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Old 10-10-2009, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Cheswolde
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I was born in Europe so my perspective is different. I am astonished how little serious work has been done about the urban changes that hit America paricularly after World War II -- redlining, blockbusting, racial change. I am hoping to provide new perspectives: Antero Pietila HOME
The reason for the relative lack of serious scholarship is puzzling because millions of Americans in cities throughout the country abandoned their neighborhoods because of racial fears. Sounds like a good research topic to me.

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Old 10-10-2009, 05:41 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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I'll go for the Franco-Prussian War and the Thirty Years War. Both changed the face of Europe..I know.. that phrase has been totally over used..but these are two wars that really did.
In that before the First World War, The Thirty Years War is the worst thing that Europe was ever able to do to itself, it does rate as quite important.

However, it comes with the drawback of being the most confusing war of all time. Politics and religion are all blurred together. Catholic France was secretly funding the Protestant Swedes and Dutch in their fights against Catholic Spain because France wanted to be the ascendant Catholic Power. There were 17 or 18 nations involved in the fighting, and that is only if you count all those independent German States as one entity...The Holy Roman Empire. And the latter were also fighting one another internally. Add to the mix the mercenary armies which would change sides if needed and spread it all out over three decades...and you've got this rush hour 150 car pile up of a war to try and get sorted.

Making it even more confusing, it took three years worth of signing numerous separate treaties to end the war, and the primary result was that the German States no longer had to pretend so hard to be part of The Holy Roman Empire. Spain continued the decline it had already been in before the war, France continued the climb it was already making before the war.
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Old 10-10-2009, 07:48 PM
 
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Yes, but it brought us such interesting characters as Adolphus Gustavus and the "Winter King"
Gustavus Adolphus of Sweden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Frederick V, Elector Palatine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 10-11-2009, 03:49 AM
 
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In that before the First World War, The Thirty Years War is the worst thing that Europe was ever able to do to itself, it does rate as quite important.

However, it comes with the drawback of being the most confusing war of all time. Politics and religion are all blurred together. Catholic France was secretly funding the Protestant Swedes and Dutch in their fights against Catholic Spain because France wanted to be the ascendant Catholic Power. There were 17 or 18 nations involved in the fighting, and that is only if you count all those independent German States as one entity...The Holy Roman Empire. And the latter were also fighting one another internally. Add to the mix the mercenary armies which would change sides if needed and spread it all out over three decades...and you've got this rush hour 150 car pile up of a war to try and get sorted.

Making it even more confusing, it took three years worth of signing numerous separate treaties to end the war, and the primary result was that the German States no longer had to pretend so hard to be part of The Holy Roman Empire. Spain continued the decline it had already been in before the war, France continued the climb it was already making before the war.
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Grandstander

That stupid war was the result of two factors:
The stupidity of the Hapsburg Dinasty.
Fresh Silver from America

Yesterday I watched a good movie about this period, I don't recall the name. Main actors were Omar Shariff and Michael Caine.
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Old 10-11-2009, 05:58 AM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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Grandstander

That stupid war was the result of two factors:
The stupidity of the Hapsburg Dinasty.
Fresh Silver from America

Yesterday I watched a good movie about this period, I don't recall the name. Main actors were Omar Shariff and Michael Caine.
I think it was called The Valley? Michael Caine played a mercenary leader I believe.
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Old 10-11-2009, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Sequoyah County USA
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The War of 1812 or Spanish/American War have my votes. I love a good historical romance and most of the history I know about it is from them. Funny how we learn. LOL!
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Old 10-11-2009, 04:58 PM
 
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I would say the Philippine Insurrection, immediately after the Spanish American War. Somewhere close to 5,000 American soldiers died in that, and Lord knows how many Filipinos. Yet hardly a mention in the history books.
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Old 10-11-2009, 06:39 PM
 
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smcpg.. this was a very important period in US history, and it was this war that inspired Kipling to write "Take Up the White Man's Burden"
Modern History Sourcebook: Rudyard Kipling, The White Man's Burden, 1899
He was trying to warn us of the dangers of colonialism.
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Old 10-11-2009, 07:42 PM
 
Location: Cheswolde
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Spot on. Is there any really good book about that, including the ideological underpinnings of the undertake?
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Old 10-12-2009, 05:07 AM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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Is the Moro War on the island of Mindanao considered to be a part of the Philippine Insurrection or a seperate conflict that overlapped?
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