What Era Of Recent History Has NOT Been Done To Death? (Hitler, Russians)

[WIHS2006]

Originally Posted by stormchaser9878

We have seen absolutely nothing of the time from 1918 to 1989. The time when the Communists took control of Russia and when they took control of all of eastern Europe. The reason is the ones who did the crimes control Hollywood. Talking about what went on there would make people ask questions. Questions they just as soon no answer. Like where are the 65 million killed there? Why did they kill the most intelligent? What methods did they kill them with? What methods of torture did they use? Why did nobody help them?

With these answers would create more questions like who created Communism?

The purges of the Russian military, law enforcement, and educational communities by Stalin and Lenin, the Ukrainian Holodomor genocide, the Gulags, etc are very well known if you ask me ...

If anything that number is much, much, much higher.

[ovcatto]

Originally Posted by stormchaser9878

We have seen absolutely nothing of the time from 1918 to 1989. The time when the Communists took control of Russia and when they took control of all of eastern Europe. The reason is the ones who did the crimes control Hollywood.

You mean all those money grubbing capitalist who know full well that period pieces about Eastern Europe from 1918 to 1989 would be lucky to fill the local art house much less earn anything approaching the Transformers 2?

[BlackShoe]

Not a whole lot has been done on the first few formative years of our nation,the ones just after the Revolution.A few books,but cannot recall anything on film on 1781-1803.The Corp of Discovery (Lewis & Clark) 1804-1806 has been well documented,but has never been presented in an accurate film.Tomorow (November 4) marks the anniversary of one of the most disastrous events in US history,yet it is little known except among history buffs,and to my knowledge,has never been presented on film,good or bad.On that day in 1791,in what is now Ohio close to the Indiana border,an American army,led by Governor General Arthur St. Clair was anniliated by a coalition of Native American forces led by Little Turtles Miamis and Blue Jackets Shawnees.More than 600 American soldiers plus an estimated additional 200 camp followers were killed,plus nearly 300 that were wounded but who managed to escape.In less than three hours one quarter of the entire US Army was snuffed out.It was by far the worst defeat that the US ever had in the entire history of the Indian wars.St Clair lost more than three times the number of men that Custer would lose in Montana 85 years later.The Little Big Horn saga has been done to death,with several bad films and numerous books done on the event,but St. Clairs Defeat,or the Battle of the Wabash,as it is often called,is little known or remembered except among those with an interest in military history.

[WIHS2006]

Originally Posted by BlackShoe

Not a whole lot has been done on the first few formative years of our nation,the ones just after the Revolution.A few books,but cannot recall anything on film on 1781-1803.The Corp of Discovery (Lewis & Clark) 1804-1806 has been well documented,but has never been presented in an accurate film.Tomorow (November 4) marks the anniversary of one of the most disastrous events in US history,yet it is little known except among history buffs,and to my knowledge,has never been presented on film,good or bad.On that day in 1791,in what is now Ohio close to the Indiana border,an American army,led by Governor General Arthur St. Clair was anniliated by a coalition of Native American forces led by Little Turtles Miamis and Blue Jackets Shawnees.More than 600 American soldiers plus an estimated additional 200 camp followers were killed,plus nearly 300 that were wounded but who managed to escape.In less than three hours one quarter of the entire US Army was snuffed out.It was by far the worst defeat that the US ever had in the entire history of the Indian wars.St Clair lost more than three times the number of men that Custer would lose in Montana 85 years later.The Little Big Horn saga has been done to death,with several bad films and numerous books done on the event,but St. Clairs Defeat,or the Battle of the Wabash,as it is often called,is little known or remembered except among those with an interest in military history.

It's my understanding that the Battle of the Wabash is the worst defeat ever inflicted upon a US military force in our entire history muchless just the Indian Wars. It's made even more embarrasing by the conduct of the militia who just ran away and left the Regulars to do the fighting and dying.

Major General Anthony "Mad Anthony" Wayne and the Legion of the United States at the Battle of Fallen Timbers in 1794 is another interesting story as well. It's interesting to note that the Brigade Combat Team structure created by the US Army in the early 2000s is very similar to the organization of Wayne's Legion in the early 1790s ...

[BlackShoe]

Originally Posted by WIHS2006

It's my understanding that the Battle of the Wabash is the worst defeat ever inflicted upon a US military force in our entire history muchless just the Indian Wars. It's made even more embarrasing by the conduct of the militia who just ran away and left the Regulars to do the fighting and dying.

We lost one quarter of our entire army,which at that time was quite small,so in that context it might be called our worst defeat.The campaign was a disaster from the start.Missing or inferior supplies,undisiplined militia levies,many desertions,poor scouting,and friction between St. Clair and a few of his subordinate officers all took their toll.The Indian forces were believed to have been only slightly larger than were the US forces.Besides Miamis and Shawnees,there were contingents of Delawares,Ottawas,Chippewas,Potowatimis,Wyandots,a nd perhaps a few warriors from other tribes.The death toll could have been even higher.The Indians gave only token pursuit to the fleeing army,instead choosing to stay behind and loot the abandoned baggage.More grim,the abandoned wounded left behind were either killed,or worse,tortured to death.While Little Turtle (Mishikinikwa) is given credit for leading the victory,some historians believe that Blue Jacket (Weyapiersenwah) may have actually been the chief strategist.After the Northwest Territory tribes lost British support,and after the battle of Fallen Timbers,Little Turtle became a peace chief,advising accomodation with the Americans.Blue Jacket remained at war,and was the leader at the Indian defeat at Fallen Timbers at the hands of Mad Anthony Wayne and his disiplined professional army.

[kanhawk]

I recently watched the movie Vertigo by Alfred Hitchcock. There are many scenes of Jimmy Stewart driving around San Francisco in 1958. It made me wonder what it would be like to have been in that city before the hippie revolution and radicalism took over in the 1960s. Indeed, the city was run by Republican mayors from the 1910s up until the early 60s.That radical period of the 60s has been chronicled many many times in books and movies. How much different would it have been to live in the older more conservative San Francisco before it became the city we know today?

[Grandstander]

Originally Posted by kanhawk

I recently watched the movie Vertigo by Alfred Hitchcock. There are many scenes of Jimmy Stewart driving around San Francisco in 1958.

How much different would it have been to live in the older more conservative San Francisco before it became the city we know today?

In your time frame you would have encountered the Beat subculture. San Francisco and New York were the major centers of the movement and indeed, it was San Francisco Chronicle columnist Herb Caen who coined the term "Beatnik" to describe the participants. Allen Ginsburg, Jack Kerouac, Neil Cassady et al, migrated from NY to SF and helped make the North Beach section of the city into what the Hippie counter culture later made into the Haight Ashbury. The Hippies were more or less spawned by the Beats, they were pretty much the same save for trading in the black tights and bongo drums for longhair, lovebeads and tamborines. The Beats were pioneers in marijuana and hallucinogens, they were both hostile to authority and viewed non conformity as a high calling in itself.

So, SF would have been more conservative at the time you have designated, but it was far from a conservative town.

[Angus Podgorny]

Originally Posted by stormchaser9878

We have seen absolutely nothing of the time from 1918 to 1989. The time when the Communists took control of Russia and when they took control of all of eastern Europe. The reason is the ones who did the crimes control Hollywood. Talking about what went on there would make people ask questions. Questions they just as soon no answer. Like where are the 65 million killed there? Why did they kill the most intelligent? What methods did they kill them with? What methods of torture did they use? Why did nobody help them?

With these answers would create more questions like who created Communism?

More tired anti-semitic swill and garbage. Again, this is nothing but re-gurgitated nazi propaganda. You must be a real piece of work.

[ReluctantGardenStater]

Originally Posted by Angus Podgorny

More tired anti-semitic swill and garbage. Again, this is nothing but re-gurgitated nazi propaganda. You must be a real piece of work.

Exposing the crimes of Bolshevism makes one a Nazi?

[Pug Life]

Originally Posted by cpg35223

The Civil War. World War II. Is there a historic era in the past two centuries that you'd like to know more about?

I'd love to see a movie about any of the following:

Korean War
Bay of Pigs
Grenada
Falklands
Spanish-American War
War of 1812
The Boer War
The ETA Campaigns
The Armenian Genocide


All of them would be far more interesting than another WWII, Civil War or Vietnam film. I love those films, but there's nothing new in the history to tell, just new personal stories.

I love historical films, there's simply not enough of them and far too many stupid disaster films.