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Old 11-25-2008, 09:54 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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So let me get this straight. A way to a better economy is to have an endless supply of uneducated people, who aren't supposed to be here ,entering tax payer funded public schools? That is the cure for the economy?
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Old 11-25-2008, 11:58 AM
 
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So let me get this straight. A way to a better economy is to have an endless supply of uneducated people, who aren't supposed to be here ,entering tax payer funded public schools? That is the cure for the economy?
Instead of creating an underclass...yeah...actually. I'd rather spend less money in the short term than in the long term. Umm...except uneducated people who go to school become educated. That's kind of the purpose of schools. But, of course you think that we should round up millions of people and spend our tax dollars that way...That's makes way more sense than helping peoples lives that are already here....
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Old 11-25-2008, 12:12 PM
 
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I haven't gone through 18 pages of posts on this topic, but from what I did read, all I can ask is, "Where's the compassion"?

One of the most heartbreaking things I ever saw was little kids running like hell across the border in Laredo to get to school. These were grade school kids, some walking 5+ miles to get to school. What American kid would walk 5 miles to school every day?

We take so much for granted in this country. It's frustrating when you think about the issues that illegal adults cause, but the kids? I say if a child wants to attend school here, we should let them. We benefit far more in the long run from educating a child now than from trying to deal with an uneducated, unskilled adult later.

Those educated people can go make their country a better place, and feel gratitude towards America, instead of fear and resentment.

Think about the possibility of a resentful man who can be swayed into attacking this country (easily given how porous our borders are) vs. a greatful man who supports and feels loyalty to this country for what it's given him?
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Old 11-25-2008, 12:25 PM
 
Location: East Central Phoenix
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Privatize all schools! That way, the parents or guardians wouldn't be using the schools as free day care (which they basically are) ... and they would have to PAY for their offsprings' education. This would be one way to reduce the number of illegals in the country anyway. We all know they come here for a quick buck in the form of odd jobs, and to mooch off free services such as assistance programs, and SCHOOLS! If they weren't readily available, the illegal aliens wouldn't be over here as much.

Schools should be the same as most anything else: privately run (much like any other business), competitive, and with a price tag. Nothing worthwhile is free, and schools should not be a free dumping ground. However, with taxpayers subsidizing the school system, that's basically what they have become ... and that contributes to why the standard of education in this country has declined. Besides, many public schools are now required to cater to the non English speaking kids, and this is wrong! English is the language of the land ... and if they can't speak it, they shouldn't be in schools where they drag down the learning curve of the rest of the students!
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Old 11-25-2008, 12:29 PM
 
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Children in Poverty
America's Ongoing War



The Overall Picture
In 1964, President Lyndon Johnson declared war on American soil: the War on Domestic Poverty. Since then, hundreds of billions of dollars have flowed from the U.S. government to large and small towns across America. Our government has provided free food, repaired dilapidated homes and furnished jobs to those in need.


Government agencies have indeed provided millions of Americans with much needed aid. Nevertheless, our country has not won the War on Poverty. In 1996, millions more Americans lived in poverty than in 1964. A 1996 Fordham University report says that the country's social well-being has reached its lowest point in a quarter century, with children and young people suffering the most.






Because it can't be said enough, WE HAVE OUR OWN PROBLEMS AND BURDENS TO BARE. Every one of those countries with millions of illegal aliens squatting and draining our tax dollars receives BILLIONS of our tax dollars in foreign aid ANNUALLY.


How much is enough before those of you who think we have an unlimited amount of resources and sympathy understand that WE CANNOT SAVE THE WORLD.
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Old 11-25-2008, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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I haven't gone through 18 pages of posts on this topic, but from what I did read, all I can ask is, "Where's the compassion"?

One of the most heartbreaking things I ever saw was little kids running like hell across the border in Laredo to get to school. These were grade school kids, some walking 5+ miles to get to school. What American kid would walk 5 miles to school every day?

We take so much for granted in this country. It's frustrating when you think about the issues that illegal adults cause, but the kids? I say if a child wants to attend school here, we should let them. We benefit far more in the long run from educating a child now than from trying to deal with an uneducated, unskilled adult later.

Those educated people can go make their country a better place, and feel gratitude towards America, instead of fear and resentment.

Think about the possibility of a resentful man who can be swayed into attacking this country (easily given how porous our borders are) vs. a greatful man who supports and feels loyalty to this country for what it's given him?
My compassion died a long time ago towards places like Mexico.

If many other nations were able to buck up and turn their shattered/truncated lands and cultures into First World socio-economic powerhouses within the lifetimes of people born who are still alive today----------what in the hell is wrong with Latin America?

I am referring to Germany, Japan, S Korea, Spain, and so on..........even AIDS ravaged Botswana. All of the listed nations have blown every Latin American country away in per capita income.
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Old 11-25-2008, 12:33 PM
 
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Newspaper article from our research archive:

Many U.S. Children Suffering In Poverty


Article from: Sacramento Observer Article date: November 26, 2003 Author: Monifa, Akilah More results for: Number of children suffering from poverty in the US | Copyright information (http://www.highbeam.com/doc/Common/Controls/# - broken link)Provided by ProQuest LLC. (Hide copyright information (http://www.highbeam.com/doc/Common/Controls/# - broken link)) Monifa, Akilah
Sacramento Observer
11-26-2003
Child poverty is at shameful, epidemic levels in the United States,
especially for Black and Latino kids.

The Children's Defense Fund recently released a study that revealed that
the number of Black children under 18 in extreme poverty was at a record
high. The organization, using current U.S. Census figures, found that the
number is the highest it has been in the 23 years since the statistics have
been kept.

"Extreme poverty" is defined as a family whose after-tax income is less
than half of what the federal government defines as the poverty line. In
this study, the "extreme poverty" line for a family of three was a mere
$7,064 of disposable income.

...
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Old 11-25-2008, 12:41 PM
 
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Foreign Aid

Foreign Aid from US AID (in millions of dollars)

Category
FY 2001 (Actual)
FY 2002 (Actual)
FY 2003 (Actual)
FY 2004 (Actual)
FY 2005 (Request)
Development Assistance
7.885
8.116
13.224
17.895
14.777
Child Survival and Health Porgrams Fund
5.987
9.500
5.205
3.700
3.230
Economic Support Funds
6.178
10.000
11.685
11.432
13.392


TOTAL
MILLIONS

20.050 - 2001
27.616
30.114
33.027
31.399 -2005

Foreign Aid - US Embassy Mexico City (http://www.usembassy-mexico.gov/eng/aid.html - broken link)
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Old 11-25-2008, 12:51 PM
 
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All true, but should these little kids keep suffering because they were born in a country with a corrupt government? Do you think we're better off with those kids educated or uneducated, living as close as they are to our border?

Did we learn nothing about what a lack of education can breed? How hard would it be for Al Qaeda to recruit uneducated young men in Mexico who have nothing else to live for and resent the U.S. for turning them away as children when they just wanted to go to school?

Fairly easy, I think. I would rather foster a sense of goodwill with these people then create a sense of resentment. We shouldn't be shortsighted about this.
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Old 11-25-2008, 12:54 PM
 
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JDubsMom, what's your point? You can cut and paste statistics all day. We know we give money in foreign aid. Do you know WHY we give money in foreign aid?

Duh duh duh, honey....
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