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This is off-topic, but I just wanted to say that it just isn't illegal immigrants that are causing a problem with the welfare system, it's anyone that abuses it. They want to talk about debt, Republicans are fighting Democrats all the time over spending. What they need to look at is all of the "handouts." We have to eat and times get hard, but there is WAY too much abuse going on. Plus, we are like one of the most overweight countries on the planet. If you see the things that people buy with these EBT cards, you'd be like, "Really, do you need THAT much?" So, if less money was paid out then that would make the recipients spend the money much more wisely instead of wasting $10 on millions of bags of Cheetos or Little Debbie cakes. I find that I get more for my money when I eat healthy, that's just my experience. Also, the more money they get, the more they will buy that they don't need.
The problem with our welfare system is not that "abuse" is super rampant or anything, it's that some of the programs are just not cost-efficient. But whatever.
The problem with our welfare system is not that "abuse" is super rampant or anything, it's that some of the programs are just not cost-efficient. But whatever.
No, I know for a fact that abuse is super-rampant. You're right though, it is not efficient. The amounts given and the criteria are enabling over-payment and encourage abuse.
No, I don’t think hyperbole is involved at all. Tell me, would you consider it a moral obligation to deny food to your children to feed your neighbor’s kids?
Yes, family is different. But what does that have to do with the question? Unless you treat every citizen of the US the exact same as family then your response is just nonsensical.
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Originally Posted by Benicar
But, you must realize there are millions of poor in this country who have no legal right be here, and are draining us dry. You can’t compare the needs of citizens with those of illegal aliens. Citizens, regardless of socioeconomic status, have a right to live in this country. Illegal aliens do not.
Except that numbers don't back this up. Widening the tax base is good for social programs. 75% of illegals pay their taxes just like Americans do, and even more would if we gave them an easier path to a visa. The numbers keep saying it's about a break even proposition right now, while the people ignoring the numbers are talking about being drained dry.
Again, this program is for an American child. I don't have to equate her needs to those of illegal aliens, because she's a citizen and has a right not live in this country. All this hand wringing about "a law is a law because it's the law" and what "makes people American" and you are ignoring the ACTUAL LAWS THAT MAKE PEOPLE AMERICAN.
Our financial involvement in Iraq, Afghanistan, or any other country has no relevance to the issue of illegal immigration. Other than, they are ALL draining us dry. So, since we are squandering billions in foreign lands, we should also squander billions here on illegal aliens? And, yes, illegal immigration is costing us BILLIONS annually. Footing the bill for their K-12 education alone is bankrupting school districts. Sadly, they don’t even appreciate it, as evidenced by their high dropout rate.
This isn't an answer. Give me a dollar amount.
Personally I am against flushing money down the toilet on overseas boondoggles. I don't see why we have to accept THAT expense as some unchangable given, while we ARE able to debate spending on food assistance for kids. Just give me some dollar amounts. SHOW me that this sort of assistance is as big of a boondoggle as you claim. Let's see the numbers. you obviously have some data, since you use the word "billions," so share it with us.
We will ALWAYS take care of children who are here regardless of how they got here. That's a given and part of being a civilized society. The issues that need resolving start BEFORE that point but we think yanking food from them will solve anything? Nope.
Abuse is abuse and it's more often AMERICANS who abuse the system. Fact. Now...what are we going to do about it?
Since you've intentionally missed the point (the new liberal tactic apparently), I'll answer - YES. If you can't afford to feed, cloth and house your children, you should not have them.
Not that difficult to understand.
So, do you not understand biology, or do you believe in forced abortions?
We will ALWAYS take care of children who are here regardless of how they got here. That's a given and part of being a civilized society. The issues that need resolving start BEFORE that point but we think yanking food from them will solve anything? Nope.
Abuse is abuse and it's more often AMERICANS who abuse the system. Fact. Now...what are we going to do about it?
Then our government needs to give them one meal and ship them back to their homelands with their parents instead of feeding them for 18 years. That's pretty civilized in my book. Again, Americans have a right to welfare when needed, however I am all for ending any abuse there also.
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Then our government needs to give them one meal and ship them back to their homelands with their parents instead feeding them for 18 years. That's pretty civilized in my book. Again, Americans have a right to welfare when needed, however I am all for ending any abuse there also.
So Americans born here need to be deported away from their homeland (America) all because you don't like that when they get food stamps (which they qualify for, as Americans) as minors then their non-American parents have to be the ones handling the transaction at the grocery store for the food? That's how you back up your claims to be "pretty civilized" and that Americans have a right to welfare?
Since you've intentionally missed the point (the new liberal tactic apparently), I'll answer - YES. If you can't afford to feed, cloth and house your children, you should not have them.
Not that difficult to understand.
OK, so why is helping one group good and helping the other group bad?
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