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Old 10-12-2012, 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by IBMMuseum View Post
Source that there is "at least" 25 million illegal aliens...

Now you are just being evasive. I asked for specific data on your claim. How is there a rational thought that this would happen?

All Malaumute is trying to say is that there are many who would advocate for any impoverished foreigner to be able to come here if they chose to do so and were able to find a way to get here. It is they that aren't thinking aboout the impossibility of our country to absorb them all and the huge negative impact it would have on our own citizens.
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Old 10-12-2012, 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ted08721 View Post
Well I have to give you credit for actually reading the article, have you or anyone given the audio a listen?

I would agree that these people should seek change in their own countries, but that is difficult to do with our government supporting the criminal governments of these countires with money and weapons along with these trade agreements where people can buy farm products from the U.S. cheaper than from the farmer down the road. The free trade agreements are set up to benefit our wealthy corporations to go in and rape these third world countries of their natural resources.

In these countries there are people that are trying to create a better situation for their fellow country men but union organizers, teachers often go missing and many time their headless bodies are dumped at the doorsteps of the organizations they represent as a warning to others.
Many are rape,tortured and killed just for teaching young children how to read and write and this is done with full knowledge and help from our government, I have met and come to know some of these people such as Sr. Dianna Ortiz who was tortured and raped with the knowledge and participation of our government.
The following is Sr. Dianna detailing her abduction and what happened, I don't think anybody can watch and listen to what she has to say and not be affected.

Sister Dianna Ortiz Details Her Abduction and Torture by U.S.-Backed Guatemalan Military

Sister Dianna Ortiz Details Her Abduction and Torture by U.S.-Backed Guatemalan Military
Again that sucks. But you're still missing the point. Why should ordinary Americans be punished? Illegal aliens constitute a huge burden on many local American communities. They drive down wages for our poorest citizens. Many don't bother to learn English demanding that Americans pay for interpreters instead. They put their children in schools and don't pay enough in taxes to meet the cost of such schools. They break down our own rule of law by willfully evading many laws including automotive, tax laws and laws that govern housing.

I would be more sympathetic to their "cause" if they spoke out more forcefully against abuses in their countries and demanded that our goverment stop acting badly. Instead they whine that Americans burdened by their prescence are racists who should have no say in their own communities nor in their own national government. They hold up signs in Spanish and whine Americans aren't bilingual. Worse, when literally millions of our own people are unemployed they make demands for amnesty based on race and access to the few remaining jobs.

We do not owe Latin Americans the right to come here without permission. This belief needs to end. The needs of the American people cannot and should not be shoved aside to serve the needs of our neighbors.
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The current crises facing Honduran society emanate from direct political suppression as well as the economic turmoil under the massive Dominican Republic–Central American Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA-DR). CAFTA-DR was sold to lawmakers as a boon for US trade with Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua and the Dominican Republic. And indeed, bilateral trade has boomed in recent years. But the cost is outsourced to workers tethered to the neoliberal export-economy model, in which multinationals have systematically weakened trade and regulatory protections. So far, the free market has allowed an estimated 70 percent of employers to violate minimum-wage and overtime standards. Meanwhile, the pauperization of Honduras’s rural sector has led to widespread displacement of small farmers.

While labor has always struggled with anti-union violence and other attacks of civil society, the AFL-CIO reports that the new trade rules that were supposed to stabilize labor relations have only enabled more attacks, and government-backed forces are associated with anti-union oppression. Along with retaliatory firings, intimidation and violence, local labor activists told the research delegation that working conditions had declined as powerful companies have brought exploitative temporary labor schemes, child labor and discriminatory employment policies.
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