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Old 07-21-2013, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Pa
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So would someone here illegally if found guilty. So what's your point?
LOL all those who will benefit from the senate bill are spared. None are here who hasn't violated our laws. To claim otherwise would be dishonest.
The point is most wont even be charged so how would they be found guilty.
What would the point be to pass the law if they intended to charge the illegals anyway.
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Old 07-21-2013, 09:09 PM
 
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LOL all those who will benefit from the senate bill are spared. None are here who hasn't violated our laws. To claim otherwise would be dishonest.
No, to claim that the Senate bill is amnesty is dishonest. The anti-immigrant wing of the Republican is losing the fight and now just falls back on claiming the whole thing is amnesty, which is completely dishonest.
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Old 07-21-2013, 09:21 PM
 
Location: Pa
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No, to claim that the Senate bill is amnesty is dishonest. The anti-immigrant wing of the Republican is losing the fight and now just falls back on claiming the whole thing is amnesty, which is completely dishonest.
So you are saying every illegal who has worked without legal permit, used a false ID, tax fraud or evasion will be held to the same exact standard as a legal immigrant or a citizen??? Who is being dishonest? if they did this then every illegal who has worked illegally, used a false ID, failed to pay taxes, or used someone elses SSN would be deported. That defeats the pathway to citizenship portion of the bill.
The clause of clauses LOL Enforcement at the discreation of the head of Home Land Security...
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Old 07-21-2013, 09:49 PM
 
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No, to claim that the Senate bill is amnesty is dishonest. The anti-immigrant wing of the Republican is losing the fight and now just falls back on claiming the whole thing is amnesty, which is completely dishonest.
How about any illegal alien wanting to live in the US by doing things LEGALLY? Meaning go HOME 1st, THEN apply to come here then IF we want you, the US will issue the proper papers. If not; tough. Anything less is amnesty for lawbreakers.
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Old 07-22-2013, 07:33 AM
 
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No, to claim that the Senate bill is amnesty is dishonest. The anti-immigrant wing of the Republican is losing the fight and now just falls back on claiming the whole thing is amnesty, which is completely dishonest.
I already explained to you why it is amnesty so why do you persist? You're being dishonest by claiming that the Republicans or anyone else is anti-"immigrant". Illegals aren't "immigrants" and it is they we oppose not legal immigrants.
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Old 07-22-2013, 07:39 AM
 
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Wrong. You can disagree with having a pathway to citizenship in the bill, but you don't get to change the definition of amnesty to fit your political bias. The penalties and waiting period for those who apply for citizenship are clearly not amnesty. What Reagan did the last time around on immigration was actually amnesty. What's in the Senate bill is clearly not amnesty.
am·nes·ty

/ˈæmnəsti/ Show Spelled [am-nuh-stee] Show IPA noun, plural am·nes·ties, verb, am·nes·tied, am·nes·ty·ing.
noun 1. a general pardon for offenses, especially political offenses, against a government, often granted before any trial or conviction.

2. Law. an act of forgiveness for past offenses, especially to a class of persons as a whole.

3. a forgetting or overlooking of any past offense.

Where in this dictionary definition does it state that it isn't amnesty if there are fines, etc? With our without citizenship it IS amnesty.
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Old 07-22-2013, 01:43 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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If anyone thinks the Senate bill would go unchanged has got a screw loose. They've already talked about watering down the time, $ and wait times. The biggest being a reduction in any border fence or BP.

If it walks and quacks like a duck.................
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Old 07-22-2013, 02:18 PM
 
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No, to claim that the Senate bill is amnesty is dishonest. The anti-immigrant wing of the Republican is losing the fight and now just falls back on claiming the whole thing is amnesty, which is completely dishonest.
For the record I call it a free pass, not an amnesty although it does come about as close to an amnesty as you can get. It is pretty much a free pass and an intentional ignoring of crimes that get legals deported and citizens sent to prison.
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Old 07-23-2013, 03:09 AM
 
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If anyone thinks the Senate bill would go unchanged has got a screw loose. They've already talked about watering down the time, $ and wait times. The biggest being a reduction in any border fence or BP.

If it walks and quacks like a duck.................
The illegals are now demanding no fence, no enforcement over the border, no verification for employment, no requirement to learn English, and no fees to be paid.

They really do expect to have an amnesty that requires nothing of the illegal, and that doesn't get any control over this problem. They want nothing less than no immigration laws of any kind.
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Old 07-29-2013, 02:37 PM
 
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Hi everyone,
you're all discussing the issue of the 11M illegals, but this bill is not only about that. It would also allow foreign students who obtained a degree at a US University to get a green card more easily.
From Wikipedia : " fast tracking permanent residence for U.S. university immigrant graduates with advanced degrees in science, technology, engineering or math also known as the STEM fields."
That's what really matters for me, because I may go to a US University in 1 year for 2 years, and I would study physics (more specifically optics, photonics, quantum mechanics ...). Since I'm a little bit tired of my country (France), if everything goes well, I may be interested in staying in the US for a few years, maybe more.
So this bill is great news for me, if it passes.
Could you tell me if Republicans are against this part of the bill ?
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