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The irony that you think that people who commit crimes are honest hard working people. I'm going to hav eto disagree with you there.
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Originally Posted by tinman01
Refer to Nationality act 237. It clearly states that it is a crime to be in the United States illegally. Yes it is a misdemeanor, punishable by deportation.
Either your understanding of US law is lacking or your reading comprehension is lacking. The Nationality Act 237 does not define being in the United States as a crime.
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Originally Posted by tinman01
You can pick and chose or split hairs, but a violation of the law is a crime. Illegals are criminals. Your position that not all break the laws mentioned is a weak position at best. Very few of the estimated 11 million simply live in someones house.
I think this clarifies it. You don't understand US law. I don't know whether this is because you are new to the United States or you weren't educated. But simply violating a law is not a crime. That is where your entire argument fails.
Most illegals living here are breaking all kinds of laws. Very few are simply here illegally and nothing else.
This could possibly be true. I'm not disputing it. But that's a different stance than the others saying that they are all criminals.
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Originally Posted by malamute
Yes, stepping over the border illegally is only a misdemeanor crime but it rarely stops there.
This is incorrect. Please learn the laws of the United States if you plan to live here.
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They commit more crime when they take a job illegally. And then most illegals fail to pay income tax and social security taxes when they work illegally as "contract labor".
Very possible. But not all of them... which is my point.
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Originally Posted by malamute
Other illegals commit identity theft and felony document fraud to take jobs they're not entitled to take. They also usually commit tax fraud by not paying the taxes on their stolen identities that they should be paying -- that is many declare far more exemptions so they pay no FICA tax.
And then many are driving without insurance and licenses. Most aren't "just here illegally" --- they're breaking all kinds of other laws to not only be here illegally but work here illegally -- and many are having children here in order to beat the immigration laws and collect the welfare handouts that having children brings them.
We're talking about the illegal aliens themselves. Not those who help them.
But, it's not a crime.
The irony that you think that people who commit crimes are honest hard working people. I'm going to hav eto disagree with you there.
Either your understanding of US law is lacking or your reading comprehension is lacking. The Nationality Act 237 does not define being in the United States as a crime.
I think this clarifies it. You don't understand US law. I don't know whether this is because you are new to the United States or you weren't educated. But simply violating a law is not a crime. That is where your entire argument fails.
It's not a crime to violate the law? Seems to be a whole lot of people in prison for violating the law. But hey rant on. This is America and that is certainly your right.
Illegals on the other hand have no right to be here and justifiably should be deported. The honest hard working people was sarcasm . Defenders of illegals seem to like that phrase to describe illegals.
I just did a 16 hour night shift or I would respond more. Your personal attack is noted.
Yes. But that's not saying much. Simply being in this nation is not a crime for an illegal alien.
Judicial Branch. I really wish that you foreigners would learn about this nation if you choose to live here.
Judicial Branch.
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Originally Posted by NJBest
We're talking about the illegal aliens themselves. Not those who help them.
But, it's not a crime.
The irony that you think that people who commit crimes are honest hard working people. I'm going to hav eto disagree with you there.
Either your understanding of US law is lacking or your reading comprehension is lacking. The Nationality Act 237 does not define being in the United States as a crime.
I think this clarifies it. You don't understand US law. I don't know whether this is because you are new to the United States or you weren't educated. But simply violating a law is not a crime. That is where your entire argument fails.
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Originally Posted by NJBest
This could possibly be true. I'm not disputing it. But that's a different stance than the others saying that they are all criminals.
This is incorrect. Please learn the laws of the United States if you plan to live here.
Very possible. But not all of them... which is my point.
I covered this already.
Please post up links proving what you're saying.
Getting caught and deported a 2nd time IS a felony, which IS a crime.
Three months earlier, immigration agents had deported Mora to his homeland of Mexico. But the free ride home served as no deterrent. Since 2000, Mora has been deported four times, only to return time and again - most recently to Ohio.
A Dispatch investigation revealed that it is common for deported immigrants to return to the United States despite the threat of felony charges.
It's not a crime to violate the law? Seems to be a whole lot of people in prison for violating the law. But hey rant on. This is America and that is certainly your right.
Apparently you have no idea how US law works. I find it surprising that so many, such as yourself, don't know the laws of the nation in which you reside. Not all violations of the law are crimes. That's why there is criminal law and civil law. Violations of civil law are not crimes. Illegal immigration laws are civil laws.
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Originally Posted by tinman01
Illegals on the other hand have no right to be here and justifiably should be deported. The honest hard working people was sarcasm . Defenders of illegals seem to like that phrase to describe illegals.
I just did a 16 hour night shift or I would respond more. Your personal attack is noted.
I don't think anyone here thinks that illegal immigrants should not be deported. No one is defending illegal immigrants for living here. I'm sorry if you felt attacked by me pointing out that you aren't familiar with US laws.
They are here in violation of our immigration laws. Terminology doesn't matter. They are supposed to be deported not pandered to.
I think we all more or less agree that they are in violation of immigration laws and need to be deported (or better, stopped from entering). But don't lie, make up stuff, and pretend to know what you're talking about when you don't.
Three months earlier, immigration agents had deported Mora to his homeland of Mexico. But the free ride home served as no deterrent. Since 2000, Mora has been deported four times, only to return time and again - most recently to Ohio.
A Dispatch investigation revealed that it is common for deported immigrants to return to the United States despite the threat of felony charges.
Just look up Nationality act 237 that tinman01 brought up. You'll see that it contains civil and criminal statutes. Simply entering the nation illegally and residing here is a civil statue.
You would have to provide links to what you're saying before I provide links since I'm disputing your nonsense. Please provide valid link that shows that all illegal immigrants are criminals.
Here's some news for you: Most illegal immigrants are not caught even once. That's why we have this problem to begin with. So forget about getting caught twice.
What "lies" did Oldglory write? What "stuff" did Oldglory "make up"?
NJBest---You say you agree that illegals "need to be deported" on one hand. On the other hand, you are splitting hairs in an attempt to defend them. What's up with that?
Then you call anyone who doesn't agree with you a "foreigner". Why the personal attacks?
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