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Old 01-20-2008, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Anyone who believes the people are selecting candidates any longer is just living in an illusion.

Yes -- people want all jobs sent out of the country and third world peons brought in to take whatever jobs are left. Yes -- the people want wages to drop further in this country -- and that's why the people are choosing Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton.

Sure. The country has been taken away from the American people. It is now whatever the global big money corporations want. There is no difference between the "neo-lib" Clintons and the "neo-con" Bushes.
I have been noticing that as well.......

Things must be getting pretty bad when self described 'Bleeding Hearts' have taken a hard right turn where illegal immigration is concerned.
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Old 01-20-2008, 10:19 AM
 
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Then, may I suggest you tell that to the citizens of the States of Arizona and Oklahoma and California (among others) that Illegal immigration (not simply Immigration) is a "non issue".

I believe the citizens of those states will ..... "take exception" to your assertion
LOL, start looking for an excuse because McCain is going to win Arizona.

Check these presidential polls out.


Arizona Primary 2008 Polls 2008 Primary Presidential Election Polls

Mcain is winning every single poll except one where he trails guiliani by 2 points. With his win in NH, SC and possibly florida, guess what?
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Old 01-20-2008, 10:19 AM
 
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In poll headlines for the last week or so, which did ask what issue was most important, immigration concerns still did not lead:

Exit polls: Economy was top issue for Michigan voters - CNN.com

Poll: Economy ties Iraq as top concern - 01/13/2008 - MiamiHerald.com (http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation/story/377506.html - broken link)

Newsvine - AP Poll: Economy Ties War As Top Issue

cbs5.com - Poll Done By AP Says Americans Worried About Economy And War (http://cbs5.com/business/Economy.War.Issue.2.628340.html - broken link)

Economy Moves To Fore as Issue For 2008 Voters - WSJ.com
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In a poll completed last month of a random sample of 1,013 adult residents in the Southwest United States, the question of what is, 'the' most important issue when compared to all issues, wasn't asked, ...but some other results are interesting.

Those taking the poll, 279 in Arizona, 103 in Nevada, 526 in Texas and 105 in New Mexico.

http://issrweb.asu.edu/pollresults.pdf (broken link)

...the results appear to contradict much of what is often said.

38 percent of respondents say that immigrants from other countries “helped their state more than they hurt it.

34 percent say that immigrants “helped and hurt their state about the same amount.”

83 percent of the respondents agree that undocumented immigrants who serve in the military should earn citizenship.

79 percent agree that children of undocumented immigrants who graduate from high school and are not involved in crime should become eligible for legal residency.

71 percent agree that undocumented immigrants who attend public colleges and universities should be able to pay in-state tuition rates if they grew up and graduated from a high school in the state.

58 percent agree that children who are born in the United States, but whose parents are undocumented immigrants, should be considered U.S. citizens.

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You forgot to include this:

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Q18. There has been much public discussion about the impact of “undocumented”
immigration on states in the Southwest.
How do you personally feel? Do you
think this is a…


Very serious problem 58%
Somewhat serious problem 27%
Not too serious problem 9%
Not a problem at all 5%
Don’t know 1%
http://issrweb.asu.edu/pollresults.pdf (broken link)
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Old 01-20-2008, 10:26 AM
 
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Anyone who believes the people are selecting candidates any longer is just living in an illusion.

Yes -- people want all jobs sent out of the country and third world peons brought in to take whatever jobs are left. Yes -- the people want wages to drop further in this country -- and that's why the people are choosing Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton.

Sure. The country has been taken away from the American people. It is now whatever the global big money corporations want. There is no difference between the "neo-lib" Clintons and the "neo-con" Bushes.
Whoa, so who is doing the voting or who is selecting the candidates? I bet if your candidate was winning you wouldn't be saying that would you?
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Old 01-20-2008, 10:28 AM
 
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You forgot to include this:



http://issrweb.asu.edu/pollresults.pdf (broken link)
No doubt it's a problem but my argument is that most americans don't mind some sort of legal status for qualified undocumented immigrants.
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Old 01-20-2008, 10:29 AM
 
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No doubt it's a problem but my argument is that most americans don't mind some sort of legal status for qualified undocumented immigrants.
Back it up. Where are your sources?
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Old 01-20-2008, 10:29 AM
 
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Old 01-20-2008, 10:31 AM
 
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Back it up. Where are your sources?
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83 percent of the respondents agree that undocumented immigrants who serve in the military should earn citizenship.

79 percent agree that children of undocumented immigrants who graduate from high school and are not involved in crime should become eligible for legal residency.
I even got this from the poll you provided from above.
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Old 01-20-2008, 10:33 AM
 
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No problem. We will address those cases after we have deported the 11,999,990 bums




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I even got this from the poll you provided from above.
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Old 01-20-2008, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Portland, Maine
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Immigration is the new abortion and gay rights. It is a non-issue in a country with much more important issues to resolve: a war and all of the spending that goes with it, a corrupt political system,health care,poverty, failing schools, crumbling infrastructure, and the economy. It's a lot easier for politicians to talk about immigration or gay marrriage or abortion. I am so sick of it. Billions of dollars in Iraq and now it is becoming accepted. When will the madness end????
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