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I'm not condoning what they've done, I think that sucks as well.
Kafar, now you see the mindset here, there is ALWAYS that little threat that get's tossed around. I don't condone either when they have robbed, used someone ID, but crossing over here to work and try to have thing better for their families, I have zero problem with.
It was very well put. It is not like they are not asking for the best of everything, what they ask for is very little, a home, food, better sanitation, just the basic better life for their family. The better part of this forum will not care, Americans have been raised to believe that they DESERVE the best, because they are American. It does not make anyone better, it does show most of us, it is how you treat another human being.
And how does this justify illegals and their crimes?
No what they are asking for is special consideration. They are demanding that we ignore the fact that they don't respect our laws, our rights, or americans in general. They are demanding to be treated better than those who are applying to enter our country legally.
Once again Sassy your logic and excuses are flawed.
Americans deserve what is ours. It is our right to decide with whom we will share what we have.
I do believe I deserve the best that I can provide for myself. Contrary to your opinions of Americans this one doesn't believe he is owed any more than I earn for myself.
I do demand that my government hold illegals accountable for the laws they have broken.
Kafar, now you see the mindset here, there is ALWAYS that little threat that get's tossed around. I don't condone either when they have robbed, used someone ID, but crossing over here to work and try to have thing better for their families, I have zero problem with.
Easy to say when you have never been the victim.
Low balling wages hurts american workers and their families.
Flooding our social services, emergency rooms and schools hurts americans also.
Crossing over and lacking immunizations present a danger of infectious diseases.
Crossing over without a medical screening also invites disaster such as TB, small pox and STDS.
Sassy just because you are not a victim makes it no less a crime or danger.
Easy to say when you have never been the victim.
Low balling wages hurts american workers and their families.
Flooding our social services, emergency rooms and schools hurts americans also.
Crossing over and lacking immunizations present a danger of infectious diseases.
Crossing over without a medical screening also invites disaster such as TB, small pox and STDS. Sassy just because you are not a victim makes it no less a crime or danger.
They come here for a better life, I guess standing on the corner is helping to help them reach that better life.
If they really and honestly want a better life they need to change the way their gov does business. Instead they seek to change ours.
Still what was the relevance of talking about the guy on the cornor and his possible excuses? Hireing anyone to work under the table is a crime. So even if he had excuses we shouldn't be asking or attempting to hire him. Most those guys its a scam anyway.
And how does this justify illegals and their crimes?
No what they are asking for is special consideration. They are demanding that we ignore the fact that they don't respect our laws, our rights, or americans in general. They are demanding to be treated better than those who are applying to enter our country legally.
Once again Sassy your logic and excuses are flawed.
Americans deserve what is ours. It is our right to decide with whom we will share what we have.
I do believe I deserve the best that I can provide for myself. Contrary to your opinions of Americans this one doesn't believe he is owed any more than I earn for myself.
I do demand that my government hold illegals accountable for the laws they have broken.
Our government will never hold them accountable. They do too much work here cheaply. If you want to try to make a difference, ask to see the Green Cards of all cooks in the restaurants that you eat at. Look into who is working the agricultural fields picking the produce that you buy at the grocery store. Migrant farmers are. I get my car washed by hand here and vacuumed, and the entire interior cleaned for $9! It's a wash. They make take from our country but they give back too in other ways. They work hard and for cheap and they don't carry debt.
Our government will never hold them accountable. They do too much work here cheaply. If you want to try to make a difference, ask to see the Green Cards of all cooks in the restaurants that you eat at. Look into who is working the agricultural fields picking the produce that you buy at the grocery store. Migrant farmers are. I get my car washed by hand here and vacuumed, and the entire interior cleaned for $9! It's a wash. They make take from our country but they give back too in other ways. They work hard and for cheap and they don't carry debt.
They also take work away from honest americans.
They also fail to pay hospital bills.
They also cause us to need specialized teachers.
I wash my own vehicle. I vacume it armor all it, clean the glass and it costs me less than $9 dollars. Ex Navy this boy knows how to clean glass like a champ.
Well all I can say to this is that is live in a metropolitan area that probably has more people in it than your entire state. We probably have more illegals than some of your largest cities have in the entire population. And yes, we pay high taxes to support our dysfunctional city government and to indirectly pay for social services. And yes, to many people in the world, we are the land of plenty. Most illegal Mexicans that I see here work ALOT. 6-7 days a week. They pay for everything in cash, have no debt and pay their bills. So what they may be "taking" from our country by not paying taxes, they are indirectly contributing by not being delinquent on their credit. Much of what is going on in our economy today was caused by US citizens buying things that they could not afford, primarily homes and mortgage brokers, banks and real estate agents that turned the other way and pushed the deals through. As I said before, everyone wants a better life; better being subjective depending on one's circumstance. Why don't you go and live in a tiny town in Mexico for a year and then tell all of us that you wouldn't aspire to live here? You were lucky to be born here, as was I. We may be cutting back on driving, what we spend at the grocery store, etc. Other people in this world have so much less. You can't fault them for wanting the basics in life. If you want to make a difference, write your Congressman, organize protests and do something that may make a difference. Posting on here, surely won't.
Believe me sister, I've seen plenty of front line action. I left Mexifornia a year ago to continue my education, but not before I got a slew of life's lessons living in Los Angeles, California.
I've protested, written more letters and made more calls to Congress and the Senate than I care to count. I've had my a** beaten nearly to a pulp in Maywood, California by illegal aliens and their Socialist supporters for the huge crime of being a blonde headed white woman in the wrong place at the wrong time. I've stood with Ted Hayes in Leimert Park, and I've marched in Los Angeles with the Crispus Attucks Brigade and Save Our State in enemy territory in downtown Lost Angeles numerous times--so don't tell me about "getting involved." I've risked my life to be involved.
I may have been lucky to have been born in America but thousands upon thousands of people have died or been seriiously injured to insure my right to have what I have in this country, including my father, who was seriously and permanently injured in WWII, and my sister, who died from her service related injuries.
Just because I happened to be lucky enough to have been born here, doesn't mean that I now have to sit back and watch my country be taken over by millions of people who are all here illegally.
Why don't you go live in the Appalachias for awhile and then tell me how bad some farmer in a small Mexican town has it. I have--and I'll bet you wouldn't last 48 hours with no running water, drinking dirty, untreated water from a stream, no heat, no electricity, no bathrooms, no shoes, a ramshackle shack with rain pouring in through the roof, no warm clothing, and not enough food to keep your babies from going to bed hungry every night. These people live in the richest country in the world. Where are their basics and where are their advocacy groups?
When that sort of poverty no longer exists in the United States of America, I will start worrying about the poor who live SOB. But until that day comes, let their own government step up and take care of its people. Mexico is the 16th richest country in the world. That's nothing to sneeze at--let them do the right thing for a change instead on relying on America to take care of its problems.
BTW, California's debt for services to illegal aliens runs in the neighborhood of 10.5 BILLION DOLLARS a year, paid for by the sweat of American taxpayers. Nearly 70 hospitals have had to shut their emergency room doors because they've been driven into bankruptcy by non paying illegal alien patients. I would hardly call that giving more than they are getting.
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Our government will never hold them accountable. They do too much work here cheaply. If you want to try to make a difference, ask to see the Green Cards of all cooks in the restaurants that you eat at. Look into who is working the agricultural fields picking the produce that you buy at the grocery store. Migrant farmers are. I get my car washed by hand here and vacuumed, and the entire interior cleaned for $9! It's a wash. They make take from our country but they give back too in other ways. They work hard and for cheap and they don't carry debt.
Not here in Arizona, my friend.
It is hell for an illegal to get work here unless it is 'under the table'-------------Oklahoma is that same way
I live here in the Phx area and there has been a dramatic drop in the numbers of Spanish speaking Mestizos/Indians (85% of of illegals are indeed from Mexico/Central America) around here in just the last 12 months.
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