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Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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Originally Posted by crisp444
I disagree with the "so be it" part.
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I am against deportation because a) it costs about $8000 per person; b) it is socially disruptive; c) it could be elminating a person that puts more into the American economy than consumes in social services.
I am not really against sobriety checkpoints and I think it's fine to demand ID. Being stopped while driving is a risk you run when you live in this country illegally without a valid ID.
AAWWWW! that just too damn bad,
So your saying they can break the law, but if punishment creats any type of hardship or inconvenience on them then they don't deserve it?
It goes to proove that you are not or never have been, effected by Illegal Immigration.
I disagree with the "so be it" part. I am against deportation because a) it costs about $8000 per person; b) it is socially disruptive; c) it could be elminating a person that puts more into the American economy than consumes in social services.
I am not really against sobriety checkpoints and I think it's fine to demand ID. Being stopped while driving is a risk you run when you live in this country illegally without a valid ID.
A) It cost substantially more to pay for the K-12 education, anchor baby expenses, ER medical treatment, organ transplants, multi-million dollar non-reimbursed long-term hospital stays, attorney and court fees, incarceration, execution, etc. B) What can be more "socially destructive" than to have millions of legal citizens' wages depressed, jobs taken, neighborhoods ruined, identities stolen, maimed or killed by violent illegals or drunk drivers? C) The low-skilled illegal alien will NEVER put more into the American economy than they receive.
Check points are a valid tool to catch drunk drivers and it would be a valid tool to catch illegals. Setting up check points in a high illegal area is smart police work. Just as setting up undercover narcotics officers in high crime zones is smart police work.
As for not deporting because of expense? One could say that about a murder or rape trial which can exceed millions of dollars before its over.
The more uncomfortable, the more difficult we can make it for illegals will deter others from attempting the same thing. It can also pressure those already here to self deport.
I don't blame them at all for being paranoid about be stopped legal or not. They know how it is with the illegals and for all they know an agent may have a problem with a Mexican period even if he is legal. A agent can intimidate even if the person is legal because said agent may have a personal problem with Mexican people in general.
So now Mexican = Illegal? If a person is in this country LEGALLY, they should have nothing to fear, period. Did I miss the new law? Is there now a law against driving while Mexican (DWM)?
It is pretty obvious that legal hispanics would be fearful of being racially profiled and hassled by the cops if pulled over.
I know that personally I am avoiding Arizona and Oklahoma all together, I have thought it through, not worth my families time to be in a hostile environment like that. I just wouldn't want to be racially profiled and would rather avoid the disappointment with what this has turned into.
It is pretty obvious that legal hispanics would be fearful of being racially profiled and hassled by the cops if pulled over.
I know that personally I am avoiding Arizona and Oklahoma all together, I have thought it through, not worth my families time to be an a hostile environment like that.
I honestly feel for you. No man wants to be hasseled in front of their family. In a perfect world it would never happen.
The reality is that so many illegals who also happen to be hispanic have created a need for such measures.
I would love to see raids on all of the many obvious employers of illegals. I would love to see huge fines and mandatory jail terms for employers of illegals. 1 or 50 if you knowingly hire an illegal you deserve the hammer.
In a perfect world this would happen. Unfortunately to many politicians are in the pocket of such businesses.
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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Originally Posted by Mach50
It is pretty obvious that legal hispanics would be fearful of being racially profiled and hassled by the cops if pulled over.
I know that personally I am avoiding Arizona and Oklahoma all together, I have thought it through, not worth my families time to be in a hostile environment like that. I just wouldn't want to be racially profiled and would rather avoid the disappointment with what this has turned into.
And what has it turned into?
I seriously doubt that you even know.
AAWWWW! that just too damn bad,
So your saying they can break the law, but if punishment creats any type of hardship or inconvenience on them then they don't deserve it?
It goes to proove that you are not or never have been, effected by Illegal Immigration.
Even though I have lived in so-called "sanctuary cities" (Miami, Boston, Madrid, New York) for my entire life, I have not been adversely affected by illegal immigration. And I'm not really focusing on hardship caused to the illegal immigrants; I am focusing on the adverse effects of deportation on AMERICANS.
It is pretty obvious that legal hispanics would be fearful of being racially profiled and hassled by the cops if pulled over.
I know that personally I am avoiding Arizona and Oklahoma all together, I have thought it through, not worth my families time to be in a hostile environment like that. I just wouldn't want to be racially profiled and would rather avoid the disappointment with what this has turned into.
If that were the case, black people would avoid driving, period. I’m not suggesting that racial profiling doesn’t exist. However, it is the exception, rather than the rule. I've had my driver's license since I was 16, and have driven throughout this country. I have yet to be racially profiled.
It is pretty obvious that legal hispanics would be fearful of being racially profiled and hassled by the cops if pulled over.
I know that personally I am avoiding Arizona and Oklahoma all together, I have thought it through, not worth my families time to be in a hostile environment like that. I just wouldn't want to be racially profiled and would rather avoid the disappointment with what this has turned into.
Methinks you have something to hide, Mr Mach50.
I know many legal Hispanics (of all races) here in Arizona and they are quite happy to see ICE do its work
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