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Old 02-09-2010, 02:03 PM
 
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You are arguing that many people in California are NOT benefiting monetarily from illegal labor? Only owners of the companies?
No one has the right to make a profit off of illicit business or services. That isn't what our country is about.
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Old 02-09-2010, 02:08 PM
Status: "Make America the Great Joke Again" (set 24 days ago)
 
Location: Denver
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You appear to support illegal immigration for profits from your posts. Is this an unfounded accusation then? Why did you even bring up the Bently owners being happy with a cheap carwash then? Who cares about them? I didn't accuse you of anything. My remark was a question followed by a question mark. Questions aren't accusations.

I appear? Can you point to anything in my post(s) that would hint to that?
You know it IS possible to discuss illegal immigration WITHOUT getting personal.

To understand the point I was making perhaps you should read the prior posts, especially the one I replied to... It APPEARS you didn't read them.

Follow the thread or get lost.
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Old 02-09-2010, 02:10 PM
 
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I see a lot of rich Orange County Republicans (antis) using those carwashes...

I wash my own car.
Do you or they know for sure that they are employing illegal aliens at the car wash? When we dine at a restaurant or use any other services how are we to know whether or not an employer is using illegal help or not? Are we to check their own employees credentials before doing business with them? Get real, that is the employers job.
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Old 02-09-2010, 02:15 PM
 
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I appear? Can you point to anything in my post(s) that would hint to that?
You know it IS possible to discuss illegal immigration WITHOUT getting personal.

To understand the point I was making perhaps you should read the prior posts, especially the one I replied to... It APPEARS you didn't read them.

Follow the thread or get lost.
Read your own posts as myself and others have done in here. They speak for themselves. I am not getting anymore personal than you are. I am debating your viewpoint as you are mine. Isn't that what this forum is for?
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Old 02-09-2010, 02:15 PM
Status: "Make America the Great Joke Again" (set 24 days ago)
 
Location: Denver
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Do you or they know for sure that they are employing illegal aliens at the car wash? When we dine at a restaurant or use any other services how are we to know whether or not an employer is using illegal help or not? Are we to check their own employees credentials before doing business with them. Get real, that is the employers job.
You just made me laugh out loud. Please....it's obvious. I used the carwash scenario because those illegals are obvious and right out in the open. When you see just 1 person "proxying" English to the rest of the workers in Spanish...more than likely the "proxy" is legal and the rest are not.
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Old 02-09-2010, 02:16 PM
 
Location: central Oregon
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There is a mistake made by the reporter and not picked up by you. the 570 million in welfare benifits to "anchor babies" is to American citizens; so the 1 billion figure in services going to "illegal alliens" is incorect.

Also, there is not a division as to what services and costs were provided for the mothers and what services and costs were for the child, so lumping the two costs together and claiming the're are going to "illegal alliens" is also not correct.

Thats OK, I didnt catch it on the first reading ether.
The little babies don't eat hundreds of dollars worth of food (paid for with food stamps), nor do they spend the checks (TANF) that their mothers collect. These "freebies" are "for" the anchor, but mom and/or dad is the one who is spending the money.
So YES, these benefits ARE going to illegals by the millions and are costing us billions!
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Old 02-09-2010, 02:17 PM
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Location: Denver
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Read your own posts as myself and others have done in here. They speak for themselves. I am not getting anymore personal than you are. I am debating your viewpoint as you are mine. Isn't that what this forum is for?
No, you said I support something, that I clearly never said. Anyways I got better things to do, I said my piece.
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Old 02-09-2010, 02:20 PM
 
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There is a mistake made by the reporter and not picked up by you. the 570 million in welfare benifits to "anchor babies" is to American citizens; so the 1 billion figure in services going to "illegal alliens" is incorect.

Also, there is not a division as to what services and costs were provided for the mothers and what services and costs were for the child, so lumping the two costs together and claiming the're are going to "illegal alliens" is also not correct.

Thats OK, I didnt catch it on the first reading ether.
Technically you are correct but it is the illegal alien parent that collects the check for their anchor baby citizen child. The point is if they hadn't come here illegally and given birth on our soil we wouldn't be putting out these welfare benefits for these children.
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Old 02-09-2010, 02:23 PM
 
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No, you said I support something, that I clearly never said. Anyways I got better things to do, I said my piece.
Putting up all kinds of defenses for something like cheap car washes, etc. IMO is supporting what is behind it.
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Old 02-09-2010, 02:28 PM
 
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You just made me laugh out loud. Please....it's obvious. I used the carwash scenario because those illegals are obvious and right out in the open. When you see just 1 person "proxying" English to the rest of the workers in Spanish...more than likely the "proxy" is legal and the rest are not.
I thought the pro-illegals argue that we are stereotyping all Hispanics as illegals by hearing them only speaking in Spanish? There is no way to tell if someone is here illegally just by looking at them or what language they are speaking. I know of many Hispanic citizens that prefer speaking Spanish to English out in public. I don't doubt that many illegals do work in carwashes but I am not going to stop getting my carwashed because perhaps the particular one that I use "might" have illegals on their payroll. It is still up to the employer to check a worker's credentials, not the public.
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