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Old 05-25-2010, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Pa
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PA requires 2 forms of Identification. If you are a legal resident they require you to show your green card before you can test. That is the written test. I rescently found out that not all states require a written test.
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Old 05-25-2010, 06:10 PM
 
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Reading over previous post, I just wanted to remind you that legal residency and citizenship are two different things.

You can be a legal resident in the US and not be a citizen. In fact you cannot become a citizen until you have been a permanent legal resident in the US for at least 5 years (3 if you are married to a US citizen)!
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Old 05-27-2010, 09:09 AM
 
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Regarding the SB1070, has anyone found a list of states that require proof of residency to issue identification?

Working in the hospitality industry we have been hearing a lot of mixed things regarding those who wish to travel here but have nothing more than a drivers license, and are concerned about not being able to prove citizenship if questioned.

We are looking for all the states whose ID would be enough to prove citizenship.

Thanks!
I don't understand your question. You really don't have to prove citizenship in your everyday life.

The proof of citizenship is usually you birth or naturalization certificate. These are documents that people don't go around carrying and only use them when needed(like when getting a passport, a driver license, social services etc)

What this country needs is either a national id that people can carry in their wallet or a central Database where all state driver licenses can be verified. I sure don't plant to go to Arizona anytime soon but if I did I probably would be detained by ICE too as all I have is my Florida license and God knows what those dinosaurs are using to verify citizenship for non Arizona residents, probably heavy accents and skin color
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Old 05-27-2010, 09:18 AM
 
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I don't understand your question. You really don't have to prove citizenship in your everyday life.

The proof of citizenship is usually you birth or naturalization certificate. These are documents that people don't go around carrying and only use them when needed(like when getting a passport, a driver license, social services etc)

What this country needs is either a national id that people can carry in their wallet or a central Database where all state driver licenses can be verified. I sure don't plant to go to Arizona anytime soon but if I did I probably would be detained by ICE too as all I have is my Florida license and God knows what those dinosaurs are using to verify citizenship for non Arizona residents, probably heavy accents and skin color
No, what you have to provide is valid I.D. It is considered proof of lawful presence in this country if you are stopped by LE. No one is required to carry around their birth certificate. In the case of a legal immigrant they must also carry their green card with them and that is nothing new.

I agree that we need a national I.D. card. Your valid Florida DL should suffice in Arizona as valid I.D. Come on get real! Many citizens of other states go to Arizona on business, vacation, etc. You can't be serious if you think ICE will be called just because an American has an out of state DL? You are now pulling the race card by mentioning heavy accents and skin color. American citizens come in all skin colors. Having a heavy accent is not unusual either nor does it denote being in this country illegally. The law prohits racial profiling anyway.
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Old 05-27-2010, 09:28 AM
 
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No, what you have to provide is valid I.D. It is considered proof of lawful presence in this country if you are stopped by LE. No one is required to carry around their birth certificate. In the case of a legal immigrant they must also carry their green card with them and that is nothing new.

I agree that we need a national I.D. card. Your valid Florida DL should suffice in Arizona as valid I.D. Come on get real! Many citizens of other states go to Arizona on business, vacation, etc. You can't be serious if you think ICE will be called just because an American has an out of state DL? You are now pulling the race card by mentioning heavy accents and skin color. American citizens come in all skin colors. Having a heavy accent is not unusual either nor does it denote being in this country illegally. The law prohits racial profiling anyway.
I don't have a green card. I'm a naturalized citizen. But I fit the rest of the profile for a illegal alien(hispanic) so if those people don't have a way to verify the validity of a FL driver license, they might detain me. People make mistakes and it's not like you need have an IQ test or diversity test to be a police officer. I personally would not be comfortable driving in that state unless the law says other state licenses are valid.
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Old 05-27-2010, 12:07 PM
 
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I don't have a green card. I'm a naturalized citizen. But I fit the rest of the profile for a illegal alien(hispanic) so if those people don't have a way to verify the validity of a FL driver license, they might detain me. People make mistakes and it's not like you need have an IQ test or diversity test to be a police officer. I personally would not be comfortable driving in that state unless the law says other state licenses are valid.
So your DL is valid, you have a valid registration and tags? Are you planning on committing a crime?
Have you ever been pulled over by LE for a traffic violation? Well, I have. When you are, first not having a DL is a big no no, red flag, you will be detained and questioned. So you have a DL, the officer may take your little DL and type in your info on the computer to see if it is valid and indeed you and check for any outstanding warrents, they may also run your tags and ask for your registration. If you pass, I dont see anything to worry about.

Yes mistakes are made in all aspects of life.
Actually, most police officer do take IQ/personality test, they do receive PC and PR training during their acadamy training. My brother recentely had a 2 week course in the Spanish language, and dealing with and identifying illegals although as yet my state dosent permit officers to inquire about or check legal status in any way.
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Old 05-27-2010, 12:15 PM
 
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I've found that most who are inquiring as to whether a DL will be sufficient, they are actually asking if an illegally issued DL will be sufficient in place of legal "papers". At least that's the scuttlebutt amongst those here illegally I've encountered, they're running to states which issue DL to illegals then plan to return to AZ. It's another scam coming down the line.
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Old 05-27-2010, 12:20 PM
 
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I don't have a green card. I'm a naturalized citizen. But I fit the rest of the profile for a illegal alien(hispanic) so if those people don't have a way to verify the validity of a FL driver license, they might detain me. People make mistakes and it's not like you need have an IQ test or diversity test to be a police officer. I personally would not be comfortable driving in that state unless the law says other state licenses are valid.
The police have a national database they can access to verify your I.D. if they have to. There is no reason they would have to do that unless your Florida DL has expired. A current one should suffice. Why do you keep bringing up skin color and ethnicity in this? Cops can't stop you for that. What part of that don't you get? An out of state DL has always been valid in another state and that hasn't change with this law either. Where in the world did you get the idea that isn't so?

If you're not comfortable driving in Arizona then for God's sake don't go there and stop whining about irrelevant things! THERE IS NO RACIAL PROFILING IN THE NEW ARIZONA LAW. I had to type it in caps for you because you just don't seem to get it.
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Old 05-27-2010, 12:21 PM
 
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I've found that most who are inquiring as to whether a DL will be sufficient, they are actually asking if an illegally issued DL will be sufficient in place of legal "papers". At least that's the scuttlebutt amongst those here illegally I've encountered, they're running to states which issue DL to illegals then plan to return to AZ. It's another scam coming down the line.
Well that figures.
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Old 05-27-2010, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Lake Norman, North Carolina
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I've found that most who are inquiring as to whether a DL will be sufficient, they are actually asking if an illegally issued DL will be sufficient in place of legal "papers". At least that's the scuttlebutt amongst those here illegally I've encountered, they're running to states which issue DL to illegals then plan to return to AZ. It's another scam coming down the line.
Yes, it would seem that the pro illegals on here are frantically exploring just how safe or not an illegally acquired DL might be and are looking for any possible loopholes for themselves, their illegal friends and their illegal relatives.
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