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Old 05-24-2010, 10:09 AM
 
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You are not required to prove citizenship when stopped by an officer for an offense. You do need to show identification. If you have no id and cant verify your identification or have false identification there would be reason for suspicion and reason to inquire about your legal status. When the AZ law goes into effect, it will allow officers to ask and verify your status if you can not produce reasonable identification. At this point you may be detained until you can be verified. Remember you had to have been doing something, illegal for which you would be arrested/detained anyway or had a traffic violation (need dl) to begin with to have gotten to this point.
Or suspected of doing something illegal.

 
Old 05-24-2010, 10:48 AM
 
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Or suspected of doing something illegal.
And clear guidelines for "suspician" of illegal activity have been spelled out.
 
Old 05-24-2010, 11:17 AM
 
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The males who are 18 years old or older all they have to do is give their SELECTIVE SERVICE NUMBER and they can be verified...............It is required by law that they have registered so this is no problem....UNLESS THEY ARE ILLEGAL AND HAVENT REGISTERED ,,THEN ITS A MUCHO PROBLEM.. for them,,LOL.You see all this 'having to carry papers" is just crying. The only papers the illegals need to have is a BUS TICKET going south .....this is funny
 
Old 05-24-2010, 11:28 AM
 
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Anyone not carrying proof of legal residency or citizenship will be detained, or possibly be arrested, and turned over to immigration officials. The proof of residency may be in the form of a drivers license, passport, etc.. The only time an officer may request this proof is when they stop you for another reason, such as jaywalking or pointing your finger at a drunk who has made a sexual pass at your 14 year old daughter and warning him he might get hurt.
Why didn't you post a link to the current SB-1070 law?
 
Old 05-24-2010, 12:52 PM
 
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None of these things listed, (DL#, DOB, current home address, or legal name) require you to be a 'citizen'. Based on the law, the police officer would have to arrest you at the point of contact, not wait till they could verify anything.
"The federal law allows states to issue driver cards for people without Social Security cards if they are a different color or design from driver's licenses, and clearly state they may not be accepted as federal identification or for any official purposes." "Utah is the only state that has driver's cards, Colon said."
Illegals driving illegally -- Failed state bill would have licensed immigrants

That law is Federal, called the REAL ID act, went into effect 2005. Here I thought you needed to have a SSN and birth certificate to get a drivers license, I was also unaware that the police officer could not verify your information at the point of contact with the help of computers, could the police use telegraph wires to send messages back to the station?. That still does not answer the reasonable suspicion portion that went along with that question. Thanks for "clarifying" that issue.

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Old 05-24-2010, 12:54 PM
 
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Why didn't you post a link to the current SB-1070 law?
Thats simple.. it's a lot more convenient to point out the flaws in the old bill
 
Old 05-24-2010, 12:57 PM
 
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And clear guidelines for "suspician" of illegal activity have been spelled out.
Not just that, but it's up to the courts to decide if you are guilty. People are arrested on suspicion of a crime, and the courts determine guilt. Unless that changed?
 
Old 05-24-2010, 01:01 PM
 
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Anyone not carrying proof of legal residency or citizenship will be detained, or possibly be arrested, and turned over to immigration officials. The proof of residency may be in the form of a drivers license, passport, etc.. The only time an officer may request this proof is when they stop you for another reason, such as jaywalking or pointing your finger at a drunk who has made a sexual pass at your 14 year old daughter and warning him he might get hurt.
Well yeah.

Legal aliens are required by federal law to carry their "green card".

Someone who is driving a car should have a valid drivers license....yes?
 
Old 05-24-2010, 01:10 PM
 
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Well yeah.

Legal aliens are required by federal law to carry their "green card".

Someone who is driving a car should have a valid drivers license....yes?
Did you not read the OP. It says ANYONE, not just legal aliens, that includes citizens. Anyone also includes people who are not drivers.
 
Old 05-24-2010, 01:23 PM
 
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man, Doesnt matter when I walk or drive, I always carry my ID with me including the mini passport card . I do not see any hassle, it just like another credit card you have in your wallet. Why is it so hard to carry your own identification card? to answer that: because they have none.
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