Abundance of Scientific Errors in the Quran (heaven, verses, hell)

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Scientific Errors in the Qur'an - WikiIslam

What are your thoughts on this?

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Originally Posted by JacksonBradu

Scientific Errors in the Qur'an - WikiIslam

What are your thoughts on this?

If your house is of glass, do not throw stones at the houses of others.
The distorted previous heavenly books may contain flaws; of course not said by God, but fabricated by men.

While there is no scientific errors in the Quran.
Of course here they resorted to the ayat of the Quran: the Mutashabih or the ambigous ayat of the Quran.
Anyhow, the reply for such claimed is in the book of The Universe and the Quran, by the late interpreter of the Quran and the Bible: Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly:

The Universe and the Quran

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By God's help, I will reply to these claims, and I may start by this one:

Scientific Errors in the Qur'an - WikiIslam

The answer is here:
The Universe and the Quran 3

Question 42: What is meant by His saying – be glorified – in the Quran 18: 86, which means:

(Until when he reached at sun-set [time], he found it setting under the observation of a black woman, and he found with her a people.)
(We said, “O Zul-qarnain, you have either to punish or to show them kindness.) ?

Answer: When Alexander of Macedon reached the West, i.e. to Abyssinia, he found the citizens of that country worshipping the sun, so that they gathered outside the city at the time of sun-set, looked to the sun and sung their religious songs, and when it was about to set down and disappear from sight behind the horizon, they would kneel down and adore the sun, all of them. They had a black queen in front of them, who led them in prayer, and they imitated her prayer to the sun.

The interpretation:
>> (Until when he) i.e. Alexander (reached)
>> (at sun-set [time] ) means: He arrived, at that place, at the time of sun-set.
>> (he found it setting under the observation of a black woman) means: He found a black woman watching the sun, while it was setting. That woman was a queen; and her people were assembling with her.

The meaning: Alexander found a people worshipping the sun at its setting; they had a queen leading them in prayer to the sun; she was adoring and kneeling down to the sun; so that her people were imitating her, and doing the same as was their queen doing.

In Arabic, the word عين was misinterpreted as the ‘water-spring’; while, actually, it means the ‘watching and observation’; as is it mentioned in many instances in the Quran and in the Arab poetry. Examples:
(1) God - be exalted - said in the Quran 11: 37, which means:
(But build the Ark under Our observation and as We instruct you by revelation.)

(2) God – be highly exalted - said in the Quran, 54:14, which means:
(Which ran [upon the water,] in Our sight, as a reward for him that was rejected ) i.e. under Our watching and observation.

(3) God - be exalted – said also in the Quran, 52: 48, which means:
(So forbear patiently to the commandment of your Lord: for surely you [Mohammed] are under Our observation. And celebrate the praises of your Lord, when you rise up [from sleep.] )

His saying -be exalted - (for surely you [Mohammed] are under Our observation.) means: under Our observation and watching.

[Now we continue the interpretation of the Quranic revelation 18: 87-88]
>> (and he found with her a people.) means: Alexander found, with the black woman, a people doing exactly as was she doing, and imitating her in her worship.
>> (We said, “O Zul-qarnain); this is the surname or the title of Alexander.
>> (you have either to punish) these people who are worshipping the sun, if they do not believe in God and resign or submit themselves to Him.
>> (or to show them kindness) if they believe and obey Our order.

Here, the عين in Arabic means the watching, and it does not mean a water-spring. The proof of this lies in His saying -be exalted - in the Quran 18: 91, which means:
(Until when he reached at sun-rising [time], he found it rise upon a people for whom We made no shelter therefrom.)

So, if the عين meant a water-spring, then God – be glorified – would say: ‘he found it rise from a water-spring!’ But the meaning is: He found it set down for a people having such a description; and rise upon a people having such a description.

Therefore, God - be exalted – meant by that to describe the people, and not to describe the sun.

[This also is the meaning of the word in the Arab poetry, some of which is mentioned by the late Mohammed-Ali Hassan, the interpreter of the Quran and the Bible, in his Arabic book.]

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What the Quran actually says, several translations that Muslims say to use:

Sahih International
Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it [as if] setting in a spring of dark mud, and he found near it a people. Allah said, "O Dhul-Qarnayn, either you punish [them] or else adopt among them [a way of] goodness."
Muhsin Khan
Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water. And he found near it a people. We (Allah) said (by inspiration): "O Dhul-Qarnain! Either you punish them, or treat them with kindness."
Pickthall
Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness.
Yusuf Ali
Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."
Shakir
Until when he reached the place where the sun set, he found it going down into a black sea, and found by it a people. We said: O Zulqarnain! either give them a chastisement or do them a benefit.
Dr. Ghali
Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, (The western part of the then known world) he found it setting in a muddy spring, and he found a people at it. We said, "O Thulqarnayn, either you will torment (them) or you will take to yourself towards them a fair (way)."

Surat Al-Kahf [18:86] - The Noble Qur'an - ?????? ??????

You are posting fake verses.

[JacksonBradu]

Smh at the fake verses to defend the errors

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These adversaries of the Quran in fact go after the ayat of the Quarn that are Mutashabihat or ambiguous, the interpretation of which is known by God; their purpose is to bar people from the religion of God, and themselves to give misinterpretation.
So they take this as a pretext to disprove the Glorious Quran with their falsehood.

As I said the book The Universe and the Quran by the late inspired interpreter of the Quran and the Bible give the answer for much many of their points.
The Universe and the Quran

So according to the interpretation of Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly, I will give the answer by God's will. So that readers will know for certain that the Quran is the word of God.

While these adversaries: they know much and conceal much and their punishment by God will be so much, in this life of the World and in the Next Life in Hell.

This is in the Quran 22: 51, which means:
{51. And those who strive to [invalidate] Our revelations [trying] to frustrate [Our messenger] – they shall [in the Next Life] be the inhabitants of Hell.}

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1.1 Geocentricism

So you admit that the Quran did not say the earth is the center of the universe, but you on the other hand assert that it claims the earth is the centre of the universe.

Anyhow, in fact the Quran did not say that the earth is the center of the universe, but it was the church that adopted the Ptolemy's theories which claimed the earth is the center of the universe and that the sun, moon and stars circle around it. And such adoption by the church of the theory of Ptolemy that was the fatal mistake; because God did not say that, but Ptolemy said it; and here you try to apply it to the Quran which never said this in any aya, but you give misinterpretation to assert this.

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1.2 Setting and Rising Place of the Sun

I replied to this in the post #3 in this thread.

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1.3 Stars are Missiles Shot at Devils

In fact this is twisting of the word from its context. Because the Quran did not say: the stars, but it said: the meteors, which see flashing in the dark night.
So this is about such meteors which flash quickly by night. In Arabic الشهب in plural; its singular is الشهاب
The Universe and the Quran 2

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1.4 Moon Emits Light

On the contrary, there isn't any aya in the Quran which says that the moon emits light, but it rather implies that it reflects the light; so the expression is ضياء about the sun light, while the moon light the expression is used نور

This is in the Quran 10: 5, which means:
{5. It is He [: God] Who made the sun: [light-] emitting a and the moon: light [-reflecting] b and decreed for her phases [of the moon] c;
that you [people] may know d the counting of years and the calculation [of months and days.] e
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a i.e. a source of light and heat, and because of its light the day will issue.
b i.e. the moon acquires the light from the sun, so it will shine for you with light by night.
c During which it shifts during its course around the earth, and it completes its circling around the earth once in a month.
d By means of such phases decreed for Moon and its circling around the earth.
e The reason that God – be glorified – said about the moon that He decreed for it the phases, and did not say about the sun that He decreed for it some phases; because the sun is stationary and does not circle around the earth, but it is the earth that circles around it.
The Universe and the Quran 2