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Old 11-06-2019, 04:46 AM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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New case to bring us into Shabbos (if we don't resolve it today, we can complete it on Sunday):

Reuven owns a fleishig (meat) kosher restaurant. He has noticed that Shimon, who comes every few days for a meal, brings his prized pooch with him, and often feeds the dog a portion of his meal. Shimon couldn't imagine why he could eat these delicacies but not feed the same to his dog, who in Shimon's eyes, is an equal member of his family.

But Reuven knows the halacha, as spelled out in Meseches Ta'anis 20b, and clarified nicely by Rashi:
  • Serving food to animals is degrading to the food and shows a lack of appreciation to Hashem, Who prepared the food for people to eat
  • It's a waste of money, since clearly the dog could survive with cheaper dog food, and the Torah is clear a Jew should not waste money (see Meseches Rosh Hashana 27a as well as reference in Mishna Berurah)

Reuven asked his Rav a shaila: is he allowed to serve Shimon at the restaurant, knowing that Shimon has erred in his approach to this halacha?
Incorrect. As long as Reuven knows and follows halacha, he can feed the dog directly.

https://www.star-k.org/articles/arti...he-right-tree/

 
Old 11-06-2019, 06:17 AM
 
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Incorrect. As long as Reuven knows and follows halacha, he can feed the dog directly.

https://www.star-k.org/articles/arti...he-right-tree/

From the linked website, it seems to be a matter mostly left up to the individual (the lenient vs "the meticulous")?

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Common custom allows for feeding animals food that is fit for humans.33 This apparently is not consistent with the Gemara’s34 statement that food fit for humans should not be fed to animals. One may rely on the prevalent custom in this matter. There are various explanations cited for this leniency: 1) The Shulchan Aruch does not codify this as Halacha since there is perhaps another opinion in the Gemara which disagrees,35 2) The Gemara was not referring to a case where one is obligated to feed his animals.36
Some authorities state that it is not proper to feed animals from the bread over which one recited the brocha of Hamotzi.37 Some authorities further state that it is not proper to feed animals scraps from one’s table, since a table is compared to the mizbayach, altar, and imparts some degree of holiness to the food.38 However, these matters are beyond the letter of the law and are intended for those people who want to be meticulous.
If the food will be thrown out anyway, then it may be fed to animals in all of the above cases.
 
Old 11-06-2019, 06:44 AM
 
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Thanks for sharing, Pruz. Yes, there are leniencies when it comes to feeding your pet. However, Rav Yitzchok Zilberstein forbids it. That’s surely who to hold by. Many G-d fearing Jews find comfort in avoiding leniencies in lieu of being midaktayk (particular with the letter of the law).
 
Old 11-06-2019, 09:20 AM
 
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Thanks for sharing, Pruz. Yes, there are leniencies when it comes to feeding your pet. However, Rav Yitzchok Zilberstein forbids it. That’s surely who to hold by. Many G-d fearing Jews find comfort in avoiding leniencies in lieu of being midaktayk (particular with the letter of the law).
Rav Yitzchok Zilberstein is not listed as a name in the Tamud, is he? His decision may be what you hold by to follow, but it's not a global decision that everyone will follow. This is why he's the av beit din (rabbinical court) of only a neighborhood in Bnei Brak in Israel and not all of Israel.
 
Old 11-06-2019, 12:29 PM
 
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Rav Yitzchok Zilberstein is not listed as a name in the Tamud, is he? His decision may be what you hold by to follow, but it's not a global decision that everyone will follow. This is why he's the av beit din (rabbinical court) of only a neighborhood in Bnei Brak in Israel and not all of Israel.
This is why we ask shailas, tied to our individual life situation. You go be lenient with halacha. Heck, you can come feed my dog if you’d like. But it’s without my consent, as I’m busy fearing Hashem.
 
Old 11-06-2019, 01:20 PM
 
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... midaktayk (particular with the letter of the law).
No such word. Please supply word you're trying to use using Hebrew letters so it can be properly translated.

No Hebrew variation matches it:

https://context.reverso.net/translat...ter+of+the+law

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Old 11-06-2019, 01:34 PM
 
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No such word. Please supply word you're trying to use using Hebrew letters so it can be properly translated.
I’ve defined the word and spelled it as phonetically as I can. Mi-dahk-take. You’re just antagonizing which isn’t nice or in the spirit is the forum.

And it doesn’t mean letter of the law. It means particular. You’ll find the word in the second paragraph of kah Kehli.
 
Old 11-06-2019, 02:58 PM
 
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I’ve defined the word and spelled it as phonetically as I can. Mi-dahk-take. You’re just antagonizing which isn’t nice or in the spirit is the forum.

And it doesn’t mean letter of the law. It means particular. You’ll find the word in the second paragraph of kah Kehli.
Then supply the poem kah Kehli. As it currently stands you're creating words with improper translations. Explain on how Yeshayahu/Isaiah 1:14 has anything to do with the topic we're in.

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Old 11-06-2019, 03:38 PM
 
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Then supply the poem kah Kehli. As it currently stands you're creating words with improper translations. Explain on how Yeshayahu/Isaiah 1:14 has anything to do with the topic we're in.
Just stop. Nobody in this forum likes to see us snipe over the spelling of a transliteration. Seriously.
 
Old 11-06-2019, 03:54 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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Just stop. Nobody in this forum likes to see us snipe over the spelling of a transliteration. Seriously.
It's not a snipe when one requests a source of what was typed for clarification. You are showing a expression of contempt instead of supplying the source of what you typed and basically going further that one should look for it themselves as you don't want to. As you are being so adversarial in numerous posts should we consider you as from Sitra Achra (the other side)?
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