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Old 03-17-2014, 06:16 PM
 
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What does "Adam ha rishon" mean?
first man

Adam also means earth, also the acronyms for Achila, Dirah Malbush (Hebrew for food, shelter, clothing)

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What does "Chava" mean"?
(mother of) all living things
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Old 03-17-2014, 07:15 PM
 
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In Jewish tradition, Jews are descended from the patriarchs. However, I am not sure what Jews have to say about this exact subject in regards to archaeology and genetics. If they are descended from the patriarchs, does that mean that there really was a man named Abraham, Isaac, or Jacob, or does that mean the patriarchs are the metaphor for the origins of the Jewish people, even though the earliest Jews may never be known for certain? Likewise, do Jews believe that Adam and Eve existed as REAL human beings, or is that just a traditional narrative meant to tell a lesson?
The latter.

Only 20% of Jews believe in creationism (compared to 84% for born again Christians).

http://www.harrisinteractive.com/vau...2009_12_15.pdf


Sadly, ultra orthodox are still clinging to the stone age and even go so far as to ostracize their own rabbis when they publish "heretical" ideas that support evolution like Rabbi Slifkin.

Two New Slifkin Supporters
Natan Slifkin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 03-17-2014, 08:12 PM
 
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Yeah, believing in exactly the narrative that is depicted in Bereishi.t defies logic. But I believe that is kind of the appeal to the Ultra Orthodox.

I believe it is symbolic in nature when dealing with Adam and Chava.
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Old 03-17-2014, 09:43 PM
 
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Yeah, believing in exactly the narrative that is depicted in Bereishi.t defies logic.
I'm curious. How exactly does it defy logic?
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Old 03-17-2014, 09:58 PM
 
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Well logically, a woman was not created from a man's rib.
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Old 03-18-2014, 02:32 PM
 
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Well logically, a woman was not created from a man's rib.
So how did she come about, logically?
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Old 03-18-2014, 02:41 PM
 
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So how did she come about, logically?
I have a better question for Hyperion.

Do you believe in G-d?
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Old 03-18-2014, 03:59 PM
 
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Yes. I'll even make this easy for you. No, I don't believe in God as described in the Torah or even during Rabbinic times. I'm possibly on board with Spinoza's view of Pantheism, but probably more inline with Gittelsohn's naturalist views.


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So how did she come about, logically?
Why, she was born from her mother obviously. You should go watch Cosmos with Neil Tyson. You young earthers might learn something.
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Old 03-18-2014, 04:25 PM
 
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Why, she was born from her mother obviously.
It's no so obvious, is it? Who was her mother and her mother and her mother, according to Spinoza's views or Gittelsohn's or whoever?

If you're an atheist, why do you identify as Jewish?
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Old 03-18-2014, 04:54 PM
 
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It's no so obvious, is it? Who was her mother and her mother and her mother, according to Spinoza's views or Gittelsohn's or whoever?

If you're an atheist, why do you identify as Jewish?
I have no idea. Maybe you should ask them. Who said I'm atheist?


By the way here is how LOGIC works since you're a bit slow I'll break it down.


Premise A: All humans have mothers.
Premise B: Eve was a human.
Therefore: Eve had a mother.


Now, if you can prove to me either one of my premises are false, I will gladly consider another conclusion.
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