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Old 02-09-2014, 07:30 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Illegal drugs are easier for kids to get than alcohol. Supplies are plentiful, purity is at an all time high, we spend billions upon billions fighting this "war" and have the highest incarceration rate in the world - by what standard ISN'T it a total abject failure?
As I said, let's stay in context here. Is mom and dad's liquor out on the table? Sure no big deal. Marijuana? Mom & dad's fault - just watch it next time. What about that instant death wish known as heroin? Sure let's legalize it and put it on the table too. Just ask the kids not to touch it.
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Old 02-10-2014, 06:32 AM
 
Location: Inis Fada
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Kids have always been using some substance that is illegal and usually bad for them. In my teens PCP was a hot ticket along with ludes, booze, weed and occasionally acid. Problems exist at all levels of society it just seems that the affluent suburbs buy the better stuff and blow up in the media more than the low income neighborhoods where everyone thinks that these problems only occur.

Remember Stony Brook used to be known as Stoned Brook....
One big problem we have today is that some kids are starting with heroin and they are starting younger. Not as many kids starting with weed, or swiping liquor from the house. There is no gateway. Heroin is cheaper, in many instances, than other 'recreational pharmaceuticals' from our youth. While PCP is certainly addictive, we weren't hearing about as many PCP OD's as we do from Heroin.

It is spreading like wildfire. Not only do we have the Heroin Highway here on LI, but now drug dealers have taken their show on the road. Hartford, CT and Springfield, MA are two distribution hubs for states further north.

What is the DEA doing? Why are we seeing such an influx of this drug?
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Old 02-10-2014, 07:13 AM
 
Location: Nassau County
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One big problem we have today is that some kids are starting with heroin and they are starting younger. Not as many kids starting with weed, or swiping liquor from the house. There is no gateway. Heroin is cheaper, in many instances, than other 'recreational pharmaceuticals' from our youth. While PCP is certainly addictive, we weren't hearing about as many PCP OD's as we do from Heroin.

It is spreading like wildfire. Not only do we have the Heroin Highway here on LI, but now drug dealers have taken their show on the road. Hartford, CT and Springfield, MA are two distribution hubs for states further north.

What is the DEA doing? Why are we seeing such an influx of this drug?
The DEA is doing the best they can, they only have a little over 3500 agents nationwide and haven't been able to do mass hirings in years. In fact, due to most money going to the war on terror these days they have had budget problems for over a decade.
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Old 02-10-2014, 07:37 AM
 
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Heroin is just the next 'drug of the week'. Remember the crack epidemic? Cocaine in the 70's/80's? Ecstasy/club drugs in the late 90s? It will be something else years down the pike. A sad, sad trend that dosent ever seem to end.
You've got to be kidding me. You've never really seen a heroin addict. I grew up in Brooklyn, walkin on crack viles and you saw people going to work as doctors and lawyers who smoked crack. Heroin is a different beast. Thre is no coming back. They will relaps time and time again, you almost never recover from that it's the bottom of the list once you go there few have recovered.
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Old 02-10-2014, 07:39 AM
 
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As I said, let's stay in context here. Is mom and dad's liquor out on the table? Sure no big deal. Marijuana? Mom & dad's fault - just watch it next time. What about that instant death wish known as heroin? Sure let's legalize it and put it on the table too. Just ask the kids not to touch it.
It's already leagalize by big Pharma in ever drug store. What are you talking about. This is how all of this started. When they founds ways to crack down on the pills they went to the next best thing on the streets. There was already a deman for the prduct because of the pills.
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Old 02-10-2014, 07:42 AM
 
Location: Nassau County
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You've got to be kidding me. You've never really seen a heroin addict. I grew up in Brooklyn, walkin on crack viles and you saw people going to work as doctors and lawyers who smoked crack. Heroin is a different beast. Thre is no coming back. They will relaps time and time again, you almost never recover from that it's the bottom of the list once you go there few have recovered.
I agree that heroin is incredibly addictive. But doctor/lawyer crack addicts? lol!! Sure. I'm sure they were everywhere. Crack is incredibly addictive and destroys you just like heroin does, hence the term 'crack head'. Get real.


You also completely missed the point of my post. I was just pointing out this latest 'heroin epidemic' is just another in a long line of drug epidemics throughout the history of the war on drugs. I'm well aware that some drugs are worse than others and have different effects. 10 years down the pike heroin will be forgotten and it will be something else.
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Old 02-10-2014, 07:46 AM
 
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I'm speaking in a general sense. Not just applying to suburbia. Speaking of which you don't think cocaine reached middle and upper class neighborhoods in its heyday? One hard drug replaces another as the 'epidemic' of the day. It's cyclic.
People who've never seen this drug for a long time up close and personal would say that. It's not like any of the others. Once you're here you're here. People very seldom kick this habit. Everyone is up in arms when people say legalize weed but big Pharma legalize heron in the guise of helping us and danced all the way to the bank.

Ok the cat is out of the bag. Parents need to become parents again. I know it's hard for some but the disposable income these kids have is in sane. I didn't see that type of money until I was in college and working. You guys have to remember this stuff is not cheap (cheaper than the pills) how much money are this kids getting in allowance a week, or just spending money to do other things with.
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Old 02-10-2014, 07:51 AM
 
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I agree that heroin is incredibly addictive. But doctor/lawyer crack addicts? lol!! Sure. I'm sure they were everywhere. Crack is incredibly addictive and destroys you just like heroin does, hence the term 'crack head'. Get real.
Yes it desroys you just like heroin, however if you've never witniss these people living up close and personal then you would have little experience to speak on it. There are many suburban parents who used crack and went to work. Yes they had a habbit and I am not saying it's good or marganilizing it but you did not OD on crack unless it was just tanted, the cost/product (it's mixed) was very diluted. Heroin was cheeper than crack back then and the mix posibilities were endless, but when a crack head in the neighborhood went to heroin you could tell it was over for them.
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Old 02-10-2014, 08:09 AM
 
Location: Inis Fada
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The DEA is doing the best they can, they only have a little over 3500 agents nationwide and haven't been able to do mass hirings in years. In fact, due to most money going to the war on terror these days they have had budget problems for over a decade.
Priorities. smh
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Old 02-10-2014, 08:12 AM
 
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this was a front page story in Newsday SIX years ago. Seems like it's only getting worse.
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