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You put forth the concept that the laws should not be enforced because illegal alien renters are a tax boon to people having trouble paying their mortgages. Oh I'm sorry, you didn't, that was me putting words in your mouth. You just mentioned that because, well, MykeWhyte is really concerned that people aren't HYPOCRITES when they steal cable but report on slumlords. Because HYPOCRISY is a big concern here.
yes... I have mixed feelings about all this, on one hand myself and my town benefit in a lot of ways from illegal labor but it's benefits gained through exploitation and on the other hand there are also many negatives that arise when people have to live under the radar, like crime, unwillingness to report crime and again exploitation due to that unwillingness. I agree that something desperately needs to be done but I'm on the side of making it as easy as possible for people from south and central america to get green cards and work visas. I look at it through the lens of, we live in a globalized world, the genie is out of the bottle and there is no going back so people should be able to move as easily as capital can.
The problem is, we have today built a society that relies on cheap, unregulated, informal labor markets to serve as an invisible crutch that supports our economy and societal need for cheap goods.
There really is no easy way out and kicking people to the curb will do little to solve the underlying problems that caused the demand for illegal labor in the first place.
yes... I have mixed feelings about all this, on one hand myself and my town benefit in a lot of ways from illegal labor but it's benefits gained through exploitation and on the other hand there are also many negatives that arise when people have to live under the radar, like crime, unwillingness to report crime and again exploitation due to that unwillingness. I agree that something desperately needs to be done but I'm on the side of making it as easy as possible for people from south and central america to get green cards and work visas. I look at it through the lens of, we live in a globalized world, the genie is out of the bottle and there is no going back so people should be able to move as easily as capital can.
The problem is, we have today built a society that relies on cheap, unregulated, informal labor markets to serve as an invisible crutch that supports our economy and societal need for cheap goods.
There really is no easy way out and kicking people to the curb will do little to solve the underlying problems that caused the demand for illegal labor in the first place.
This kind of milquetoast go-along-to-get-along attitude towards one of the greatest problems facing western nations belies a total lack of education on the topic. There are no "benefits" to illegal immigration other than those that accrue to the <1% of Americans (to the extent that globalist corporate leeches can be called American) as a result of selling out other Americans. Believe me, lawns were mowed and burgers flipped before Paco and his 30 million hermanos got here. And when they're gone, Americans will do those jobs again, except for better wages.
The genie is not out of the bottle. You sound like a typical mopey, defeatist conservative, happier to lose than to fight for your country.
This kind of milquetoast go-along-to-get-along attitude towards one of the greatest problems facing western nations belies a total lack of education on the topic. There are no "benefits" to illegal immigration other than those that accrue to the <1% of Americans (to the extent that globalist corporate leeches can be called American) as a result of selling out other Americans. Believe me, lawns were mowed and burgers flipped before Paco and his 30 million hermanos got here. And when they're gone, Americans will do those jobs again, except for better wages.
The genie is not out of the bottle. You sound like a typical mopey, defeatist conservative, happier to lose than to fight for your country.
OR, he's making a cogent point about the reality of economic factors, tempered with compassion for those caught in the middle while you continue this fantasy of Americans reverting to mowing their lawns and picking strawberries "at higher wages."
Didn't you agree that automation was going to wipe out those jobs anyway?
America has become oligarchic and corporatist. Almost NO ONE denies this. Their interests will always come first. Despite whatever some reality TV star lies about on the tube. Flipping burgers used to put you through college. Now it can't buy the 1st semesters books.
I'd love for your prophecy of capitalism and economic policy to suddenly start favoring the little guy by some miraculous supernatural means, but it ain't happening. We'll kick out the illegals...then allow them back in to work under some other guise. Guaranteed. And the taxpayer will foot the bill both ways. Wanna help the little guy? Should have elected Sanders!
For the record, I like your vision, I just don't buy it.
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This kind of milquetoast go-along-to-get-along attitude towards one of the greatest problems facing western nations belies a total lack of education on the topic. There are no "benefits" to illegal immigration other than those that accrue to the <1% of Americans (to the extent that globalist corporate leeches can be called American) as a result of selling out other Americans. Believe me, lawns were mowed and burgers flipped before Paco and his 30 million hermanos got here. And when they're gone, Americans will do those jobs again, except for better wages.
The genie is not out of the bottle. You sound like a typical mopey, defeatist conservative, happier to lose than to fight for your country.
I would argue that you are actually the one lacking education on the topic, but I know better than to argue on the internet. All I'll say is, illegal immigration is not at all one of the greatest problems facing western civilization, it's simply one of the many symptoms of the greatest problem we face. Until we address the circumstances and policies developed over the last 40 years, that continue to this day, we will never solve illegal immigration. Building a wall, rounding people up, these are simply band aids and will be just as successful as the drug war we've been fighting. Any real, meaningful efforts to address the problem would come in the shape of policies aimed to strengthen labor rights for all people, increase access to education, address income inequality, increase of taxes on the top 1%, etc... basically Sanders platform.
And of course, burgers were flipped and lawns mowed before illegal immigration but that misses the point of many of the larger processes taking place and was also before we had a massively globalized society. It doesn't address what US companies are doing around the world, it doesn't address the influence of global finance or trade liberalization. There is no turning the clock back on the intricate web of supply chains, importations, exportation's, the flows of ideas and the flows of capital. These are all mechanisms that contribute to the forced movement of people around the globe.
And I am far from a defeatist, I just realize that to make this country better, my fight isn't with poor illegal immigrants who've traveled thousands of miles from their families to perform backbreaking work for a few dollars.
there is an american black market that require the work of illegal immigrants. back in the 1700's and 1800's, it was called slavery. in the 1900's, it was pay discrimation.
OR, he's making a cogent point about the reality of economic factors, tempered with compassion for those caught in the middle while you continue this fantasy of Americans reverting to mowing their lawns and picking strawberries "at higher wages."
Didn't you agree that automation was going to wipe out those jobs anyway?
America has become oligarchic and corporatist. Almost NO ONE denies this. Their interests will always come first. Despite whatever some reality TV star lies about on the tube. Flipping burgers used to put you through college. Now it can't buy the 1st semesters books.
I'd love for your prophecy of capitalism and economic policy to suddenly start favoring the little guy by some miraculous supernatural means, but it ain't happening. We'll kick out the illegals...then allow them back in to work under some other guise. Guaranteed. And the taxpayer will foot the bill both ways. Wanna help the little guy? Should have elected Sanders!
For the record, I like your vision, I just don't buy it.
More defeatism. Do you want to change things or are you just resigned to things falling apart because that's the way it is now? This kind of "conservatism" is dead or dying. We're entering a new era which is not left vs right but nationalism vs globalism. I supported Sanders until he threw in his lot with the open borders and BLM crowd. I still would prefer him to Clinton any day. But I'm on the Trump nationalist train now. Choo friggen choo.
there is an american black market that require the work of illegal immigrants. back in the 1700's and 1800's, it was called slavery. in the 1900's, it was pay discrimation.
Both of the these things were bad and were rightfully abolished. Let's go for the trifecta.
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