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Illegal immigrants are unconscionably inconvenienced by laws against illegal immigration.
If it makes you feel better, I've reported illegals from China, Portugal, Mali, and Ukraine, as well. But Hispanics are the face of illegal immigration because they constitute the vast, vast majority of illegal immigrants. Perhaps you have a difficult time understanding statistics so I'll show you the numbers:
Mexico 6,650,000 62% +42%
El Salvador 530,000 5% +25%
Guatemala 480,000 4% +65%
Honduras 320,000 3% +95%
Philippines 270,000 2% +33%
India 200,000 2% +64%
Korea 200,000 2% +14%
Ecuador 170,000 2% +55%
Brazil 150,000 1% +49%
China 120,000 1% −37%
Other 1,650,000 15% −17%
Mexicans are fully 62% of all illegals (probably more, since these are based on the disproven "11 million" Census Dept. total) - up 42% from 2000 through 2009. Latin American countries are #2, 3, and 4 on the list. When Hispanics are collectively over 75% of all illegals in the country, yes, they become "the face" of it.
Another factor may of course be that immigrants from certain countries commit crimes and collect social services at a much higher rate than other groups, and thus are deservedly the focus of more ire from their unwitting hosts. I'm not sure where're you're going to find third generation statistics since mass immigration is a relatively recent phenomenon. The second generation, however, commits crimes at a higher rate than their foreign-born parents.
A prefatory note about this Pew study - they compare immigrant crime rates to the "native population" to portray a better picture of the total. First off, we shouldn't be importing any criminals at all. Second, the "native crime rate" includes the vastly disproportionate amount of crime committed by a small segment of the black population, which by itself accounts for about 50% of all violent crimes. So, at best, we can say Hispanics commit fewer crimes than blacks, but more than whites. The FBI crime statistics bear this out.
Well, recent if you consider the last 130 years recent. A hundred years ago immigration was much higher than today when considered as a percentage of existing population. So much for the recent talk of "invasion."
How do you find the time to hunt out, track down and report so many different immigrants and, more important, why is it so important to you? Are you personally damaged by these people?
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Getting rid of illegal immigrants, to some, represents a means to improve their community living standards and safety, and to insure a law abiding tax paying citizen is not unfairly being taken advantage of. Hard to argue against that because that's what most of us would want for ourselves and family.
The "liberal" argument is not against any of those things, but simply asking for more empathy and avoiding any broad strokes. Those 20 people in that 2 story colonial may in fact be illegal, but at the same time they're also just people in search of better opportunities for themselves using the only means available. It's an argument against placing quick labels and see each other as human beings first.
There are no easy or obvious solutions, so careful and thoughtful consideration is needed more than ever. A 5 min phone call can turn another family's life upside down.
“America is another name for opportunity. Our whole history appears like a last effort of divine providence on behalf of the human race.” - Ralph Waldo Emerson
As always both sides get it wrong fundamentally and politically and the sheep rally like lemmings.
1. For over 10 years net migration from Mexico is LESS THAN ZERO. Def not an invasion.
2. Migration from Central America (and who knows where else) has exploded and replaced Mexican migration in numbers.
So a wall is not the worst idea, it's just a really bad, costly and ineffectual one. Anyone who wants to get through or has the money to facilitate will make swiss cheese out of a border wall. Guarantee first down economy we lay off border guards as usual and the border becomes porous. Tunnels, holes, etc. Exactly how the drugs get in now.
The smarter idea (none of the politicians talk about) is stop vilifying Mexico. Strengthen relations with Mexico (and Canada) and make a stronger, unified North American front. Strengthening Mexico's SOUTHERN border makes us safer. A wall without that is pointless. Mexico should BE the first wall...and they would do it if we'd stop the nonsensical policy hackery of rounding up busboys kid's in the streets and kneeing them in the spine to handcuff them on Youtube. That DOES NOT help. It serves nothing but symbolism.
Enough damn symbolic gestures of party politics and lib vs con mid-90's stupidity. Get the extremists on both sides out of the way and fix things rationally. We look like imbeciles because we act like it. We can't strengthen ties with Mexico because we need to use Mexico as a scapegoat for NAFTA. Again, not migrants fault we need workers. Not Mexico's fault our Fortune 500's would rather pay less per hour there than here. That's OUR fault. Lack of political will. Overabundance of political footballs.
As always both sides get it wrong fundamentally and politically and the sheep rally like lemmings.
1. For over 10 years net migration from Mexico is LESS THAN ZERO. Def not an invasion.
2. Migration from Central America (and who knows where else) has exploded and replaced Mexican migration in numbers.
So a wall is not the worst idea, it's just a really bad, costly and ineffectual one. Anyone who wants to get through or has the money to facilitate will make swiss cheese out of a border wall. Guarantee first down economy we lay off border guards as usual and the border becomes porous. Tunnels, holes, etc. Exactly how the drugs get in now.
The smarter idea (none of the politicians talk about) is stop vilifying Mexico. Strengthen relations with Mexico (and Canada) and make a stronger, unified North American front. Strengthening Mexico's SOUTHERN border makes us safer. A wall without that is pointless. Mexico should BE the first wall...and they would do it if we'd stop the nonsensical policy hackery of rounding up busboys kid's in the streets and kneeing them in the spine to handcuff them on Youtube. That DOES NOT help. It serves nothing but symbolism.
Enough damn symbolic gestures of party politics and lib vs con mid-90's stupidity. Get the extremists on both sides out of the way and fix things rationally. We look like imbeciles because we act like it. We can't strengthen ties with Mexico because we need to use Mexico as a scapegoat for NAFTA. Again, not migrants fault we need workers. Not Mexico's fault our Fortune 500's would rather pay less per hour there than here. That's OUR fault. Lack of political will. Overabundance of political footballs.
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Some great points here. Mexico's southern border is much smaller and easier to control.
As always both sides get it wrong fundamentally and politically and the sheep rally like lemmings.
1. For over 10 years net migration from Mexico is LESS THAN ZERO. Def not an invasion.
2. Migration from Central America (and who knows where else) has exploded and replaced Mexican migration in numbers.
So a wall is not the worst idea, it's just a really bad, costly and ineffectual one. Anyone who wants to get through or has the money to facilitate will make swiss cheese out of a border wall. Guarantee first down economy we lay off border guards as usual and the border becomes porous. Tunnels, holes, etc. Exactly how the drugs get in now.
The smarter idea (none of the politicians talk about) is stop vilifying Mexico. Strengthen relations with Mexico (and Canada) and make a stronger, unified North American front. Strengthening Mexico's SOUTHERN border makes us safer. A wall without that is pointless. Mexico should BE the first wall...and they would do it if we'd stop the nonsensical policy hackery of rounding up busboys kid's in the streets and kneeing them in the spine to handcuff them on Youtube. That DOES NOT help. It serves nothing but symbolism.
Enough damn symbolic gestures of party politics and lib vs con mid-90's stupidity. Get the extremists on both sides out of the way and fix things rationally. We look like imbeciles because we act like it. We can't strengthen ties with Mexico because we need to use Mexico as a scapegoat for NAFTA. Again, not migrants fault we need workers. Not Mexico's fault our Fortune 500's would rather pay less per hour there than here. That's OUR fault. Lack of political will. Overabundance of political footballs.
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Utter nonsense once again predicated on bad facts. Net migration is not down, it's gone steadily up as I've posted repeatedly in this thread. Even going by the flawed Census numbers, there are nearly 50% more Mexicans here as of 2010 as there were in 2000. And the real numbers are even higher.
Mexico in fact already has strong border enforcement - including a wall - on their southern border. They don't want South Americans in their (relatively) more prosperous country either. But they give many of them a free pass as long as they continue north to the US. Many more come not on foot but by plane, and then overstay their visa, perhaps spitting out an anchor baby in the process so that they can gather benefits through their American citizen child.
You're batting around these centrist ideas that sound good to the uninitiated, but the situation has become untenable and baby steps aren't going to cut it anymore. The elite oligarch whites who run Mexico have been using the US as a pressure valve for the vast brown peasant class that they rule over for decades now. The US provides a large first world economy into which they can dump unskilled laborers who will then send the bulk of their wages back south - a major part of their economy is these so-called remittances. Far easier than improving their own economy. It also makes it easier for these elites to stay in power if they don't have a large rabble of peasants breaking down the gates.
Walls can be built to defeat simple things like tunneling - ask Israel, or India, or Hungary, or many other countries that have functional walls as a first line of defense. But walls alone won't do it. There needs to be draconian crackdowns on employers of illegals, particularly large scale employers like meat packing plants and construction companies. An end to birthright citizenship, a concept so silly only the US and Canada practice it. An end to state and local handouts to illegals.
And most importantly the will to continue doing these things past one administration. Trump is unique in that he didn't depend on big business money for his campaign. Those donors want cheap labor, and Democrats depend on the immigrant vote, which is why the last few administrations have been terrible on immigration. Trump couod deport every last illegal and if his succcessor sees things differently, his legacy can be undone just as Obama's is being undone now. That's why it's so crucial for people to learn the facts instead of silly platitudes like a poem stuck on the side of a statue in New York harbor.
-Net migration of Mexicans down.
-Remittances do not make a spit in the atlantic ocean of dent in gdp. It's nonexistent. False premise. Makes them look "un-american" that's all. More symbolism from the witless alt-right. If they bought an egg mcmuffin that day they supported America more than 1000's white couch surfers on welfare. Deal with it.
-Israel walll?! 440 mile wall with half the citizens in the military?! Nice comparison to our 2500 mile fantasy with multiple states unsure they want a part of it. Plus, no one lobbing bombs at us from Mexico (oops, I shouldn't say that out loud or it will become an "alt fact" and Spicer will be delivering an adderall fueled rant about it tomorrow).
-Obama was great on immigration. Deporter in chief. Repubs kept their mouth shut on that one (not good for the base). We also did not get attacked (except by angry ex-GI's with PTSD from serving in the gulf).
Funny I am the only one to argue with you and I AM a centrist. I'm fine with deporting most or many illegals. As long as it's done smartly as it effects the economy. Tired of Dems and Repubs wrecking the economy to make political points with their base over social issues like immigration and abortion.
You don't like Mexican workers? That's capitalism. Germany is now jobbing out labor to...wait for it...Russia (and Russians). Why? Money on the table for both parties. So what if 74 years ago they were bombing, killing and raping each other by the millions. Someone has to solder those solar panels. Mexican's picking fruit? Big whoop.
Last edited by monstermagnet; 02-25-2017 at 08:58 AM..
Well, recent if you consider the last 130 years recent. A hundred years ago immigration was much higher than today when considered as a percentage of existing population. So much for the recent talk of "invasion."
Which is why the borders were closed in 1925 and not reopened until 1965. The invaders mostly assimilated during that time.
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How do you find the time to hunt out, track down and report so many different immigrants and, more important, why is it so important to you? Are you personally damaged by these people?
I work in an industry with easy access to the information.
We are all damaged by these people. I've already explained why so either you didn't read or you don't agree, what else can I say.
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