Former cop rampaging LA (all Dorner posts go here) (Torrance: employment, statistics)

[BarcelonaFan]

I do have to wonder why people are so defensive about systems which do a lot of harm to people and tend to lay blame of the "few bad apples"? The military, the police, the banking system (economy as a whole) and even educational institutions.

Their presumption is that these systems are perfect or near perfect enough that the blame is squarely on the individual.

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Originally Posted by Fontucky

That's because some of those "certain facts" ARE the rantings of crazy people. **cough** Alex Jones

It is interesting that it is long known in order to discredit someone, you either fire them, make everyone else think that they are crazy or in extreme cases murder them. In all cases they always seem to disappear from American short attention spans.

When certain facts came out about 911, the first thing the government did was attack those who had the most reasonable questions and than they brought in paid people to collaborate what they what the people to believe and tried to make it seem that a conspiracy that large would be impossible to do. After that is all done ignore the whole thing like it really never happened.

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Originally Posted by blessedin08

Amazing!!!!!!! blacks just snapped.. The last few months white people have been snapping,or are they just abused etc. Shady Hook(28 killed) 12 killed 59 injured at the Batman movie, so please explain what happened to the white people. can't wait to the answer..

So you are comparing one individual who lost it over Lord knows what, to over 200 years of institutionalize discrimination? The actions of one white person is rarely associated with all white people in general, but let one black woman on welfare be protrayed, and the every imaginable statistic is going to come ouot proving that blacks are the reason why the economy is in the crapper

You even proved it in your rebuttal "blacks just snapped" as far as I'm aware of there is only one blackman involved in the shooting

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Originally Posted by Now What

No, because you are not giving the murder of innocent people what you should be. He may have been wronged badly, but when this is how you react, it's hard to have much pity. Quite the cowardly act.

Why? Because I'm not just boo-hooing over the JUST the lives of two people and I'm looking at the possibility of hundreds of innocent people who were jailed and killed by the police officers over the decades.

I'm also looking you and others in a similiar fashion, I never agreed to anything that he is doing but I find it interesting that many of you have easily written him off to side with an already corrupt LAPD. Is it because he is a blackman complaining about racism and since no one will listen to him he took it to the extreme? It just seems to me since this country is founded on violence it is the only way that anyone will pay any attention to you.

The point being is instead of just killing him and going on as business as usual a real investigation should be conducted and not swept under the rug like they are often done. Are you aware that other cities are having the same probelm with their police forces as well? This might be the tip of the iceberg unless the real probelms are brough out into the forefront.

[RaymondChandlerLives]

There were some excellent points made in "Industrial Society and Its Future" -- very few of us took it seriously, as it was written by the Unibomber.

Likewise, its hard to take any of Dorner's accusations seriously when he's currently wanted for triple homicide. The guy is clearly not playing with a full deck. Seeking vindication? After he murdered two innocent people while they sat in their car?

[DinsdalePirahna]

Originally Posted by RaymondChandlerLives

There were some excellent points made in "Industrial Society and Its Future" -- very few of us took it seriously, as it was written by the Unibomber.

Likewise, its hard to take any of Dorner's accusations seriously when he's currently wanted for triple homicide. The guy is clearly not playing with a full deck. Seeking vindication? After he murdered two innocent people while they sat in their car?

Just playing the devil's advocate here (and this guy needs to be caught asap): but is there any substantial proof that he is in fact the shooter? You would figure that there would be a security cam at the condo complex where the first shooting occurred - even at our small condo complex we have cameras all over the place.

Did he write the manifesto?

Has he tried to contact any friends?

Even the Unabomber got a trial.

[matzoman]

Originally Posted by DinsdalePirahna

Just playing the devil's advocate here (and this guy needs to be caught asap): but is there any substantial proof that he is in fact the shooter? You would figure that there would be a security cam at the condo complex where the first shooting occurred - even at our small condo complex we have cameras all over the place.

Did he write the manifesto?

Has he tried to contact any friends?

Even the Unabomber got a trial.

Interesting point.

[JohnG72]

Originally Posted by Nineties Flava

I might be inclined to agree with you if some of the claims made in the manifesto hadn't already been corroborated.

Exclusive: Family at Center of Manhunt Subject's Manifesto Urges Surrender | NBC Southern California

Aggressive LAPD clique of tattooed 'alpha dogs' face the sack - NYPOST.com

And in the schoolyard example people are using to say he "holds a grudge against the system", that wasn't how I read that at all. I think some of you just haven't ever actually had to face some of the challenges that come along with being a minority in a very racially charged institution like the LAPD... what looks imaginary to you is very real to others.

The second posting refers to LA County Sheriff's, despite the incorrect title(imagine that..the NYPOST gets facts incorrect).

And the racism you refer to doesn't exist. It might have 20 years ago. It currently doesn't.

[JohnG72]

Originally Posted by BarcelonaFan

Moron thank you for proving my point about some cops and their unstable behavior. I said the most likely scenario is that this is an institutional problem not the result of some conspiracy. The corruption of the 90s I believe was an institutional systemic problem. Cops engaging in brutal behavior is a problem that should be addressed by evaluating the police force in general not always blaming it on nuts.

I tend to look at things holistically. 9/11 attacks didn't happen out of a vacuum but were the long result on complex descisions by policy makers and bad foreign policy. I am not a conspiracy nut. I don't really think that it's some nefarious plot I merely said it might be but I don't know and the most likely thing is that the guy became unstable as a result of his environment and that environment should be examined.

Why do you assume that the case is closed on him just being a nut? How are these nuts created? Why do they do the things they do? You're the type that answers "cus they're nuts that's why". But that's circular reasoning.

This is alone is reason you ought not comment on the matter. Peoples psyche are something that has a huge number of factors, but they are not "created" by anyone.

Rather, let the professionals assess the situation, which they have, and which I've provided links to. Trust their judgement on the matter, not yours.

[JohnG72]

Originally Posted by DinsdalePirahna

Just playing the devil's advocate here (and this guy needs to be caught asap): but is there any substantial proof that he is in fact the shooter? You would figure that there would be a security cam at the condo complex where the first shooting occurred - even at our small condo complex we have cameras all over the place.

Did he write the manifesto?

Has he tried to contact any friends?

Even the Unabomber got a trial.

Its an ongoing investigation and that info will eventually be released.

Basically the investigation of the muders of Keith Lawrence and his fiance led police to the discovery of the manifesto, which then led to the night of killings in Corona and the subsequent manhunt.

This information is available on any of LA's local news stations webpages.