Why so many covid 19 cases and deaths in LA County (Los Angeles: hotel, inspector)

[ocoilslick]

Originally Posted by Mike930

I’m not sure if you’ve seen this, but it’s the LA County COVID numbers broken down.

COVID-19 Locations & Demographics - LA County Department of Public Health

Very official. Same garbage nothing burger I was talking about earlier. Those age group breakdowns are for people testing positive, not deaths. No stats from LA county on age breakdown of covid deaths!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[roadwarrior101]

Originally Posted by Mike930

It’s not my claims, it data from various sources. They also lost in court because they (LA County) couldn’t prove it wasn’t arbitrary.

Your links, while opinion rather than data, even say outdoor dining is less risky. There is NO data to show any significant number of cases from restaurants. That’s the bottom line.

I never said it wasn't less risky, did I? Less risky doesn't mean "no risk", especially when outdoor dining is mimicking indoor dining, as one of the medical experts listed in the article. This includes poor ventilation, lack of social distancing, prolonged periods of not wearing masks (not just while eating) and congregating in larger groups.

Sure, these are opinions but they're opinions of MEDICAL EXPERTS. You're claiming that this doesn't substantiate data but I'll sure as heck trust these world renowned experts over anything non-experts are saying.

Also, these cases couldn't be proven because the virus is so widespread and so poorly managed that its impossible to contact trace nowadays. This doesn't prove that this is inaccurate. We should be doing everything we can to control COVID spread. If we're not, then all of your rants about Newsom carry absolutely no credibility, as they just expose the hypocrisy and political motivation.

[blockzilla]

Originally Posted by roadwarrior101

I never said it wasn't less risky, did I? Less risky doesn't mean "no risk", especially when outdoor dining is mimicking indoor dining, as one of the medical experts listed in the article. This includes poor ventilation, lack of social distancing, prolonged periods of not wearing masks (not just while eating) and congregating in larger groups.

Sure, these are opinions but they're opinions of MEDICAL EXPERTS. You're claiming that this doesn't substantiate data but I'll sure as heck trust these world renowned experts over anything non-experts are saying.

Also, these cases couldn't be proven because the virus is so widespread and so poorly managed that its impossible to contact trace nowadays. This doesn't prove that this is inaccurate. We should be doing everything we can to control COVID spread. If we're not, then all of your rants about Newsom carry absolutely no credibility, as they just expose the hypocrisy and political motivation.

The hypocrisy is closing restaurants but not nonsense retail among other things. Shop til you drop at the mall, but don't sit down and eat! If he's going to shut it down, then SHUT IT DOWN, but the current "shutdown" is moronic. It won't do anything but put some restaurants out of business. It seems to just give people something to fixate on and have partisan arguments, just look at all the CA Covid threads, it's all focused on the restaurants as if that is the panacea to solve all problems. Does anyone really think that shutting down restaurants and haircuts is the solution to get this under control?

Shut down EVERYTHING nonessential, float checks to everyone affected to keep businesses afloat, and enforce strict mask wearing at the essential places for 6 weeks. I'm not sure we could do anything better than that, and anything less than that is pissing in the wind. Even with that "plan", what is the outcome? Wait for the vaccine to save us all? As much as we as a species want to be in control of everything, we aren't. I hope I'm wrong but I think the end game is we learn to live with this as it mutates into lots of strains and we chase it each fall with an updated vaccine, much like the flu virus but deadlier.

[ocoilslick]

The health officials and Politico's will say that shutting down restaurants, etc etc saved countless lives. Unfortunately, there is no way to prove it false.

[roadwarrior101]

Originally Posted by blockzilla

The hypocrisy is closing restaurants but not nonsense retail among other things. Shop til you drop at the mall, but don't sit down and eat! If he's going to shut it down, then SHUT IT DOWN, but the current "shutdown" is moronic. It won't do anything but put some restaurants out of business. It seems to just give people something to fixate on and have partisan arguments, just look at all the CA Covid threads, it's all focused on the restaurants as if that is the panacea to solve all problems. Does anyone really think that shutting down restaurants and haircuts is the solution to get this under control?

Shut down EVERYTHING nonessential, float checks to everyone affected to keep businesses afloat, and enforce strict mask wearing at the essential places for 6 weeks. I'm not sure we could do anything better than that, and anything less than that is pissing in the wind. Even with that "plan", what is the outcome? Wait for the vaccine to save us all? As much as we as a species want to be in control of everything, we aren't. I hope I'm wrong but I think the end game is we learn to live with this as it mutates into lots of strains and we chase it each fall with an updated vaccine, much like the flu virus but deadlier.

I agree about shutting down all non-essential businesses and floating checks, along with stricter mask enforcement. That's consistent with what I've said before.

[goodheathen]

Originally Posted by ocoilslick

Very official. Same garbage nothing burger I was talking about earlier. Those age group breakdowns are for people testing positive, not deaths. No stats from LA county on age breakdown of covid deaths!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Watch a few Garcetti news conferences. I think he mentions over/under once in a while. I think it's always been less than 80% who are old (I'm being vague because I can't remember if he says 60, 65, or something else) and might have been around 60% sometimes. It is not the just-kills-elderly-people disease you and some others want to think it is, and there have been enough highly publicized deaths of people who weren't that old.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

It is not the just-kills-elderly-people disease you and some others want to think it is, and there have been enough highly publicized deaths of people who weren't that old.

Agreed. Here's a one day breakdown of COVID deaths in L.A. County. Not sure we can extrapolate from these numbers, but:

Dec. 29. "(The high number of new deaths reflected a significant number of deaths from the backlog associated with the Spectrum outage and holiday reporting delays.) Of the 227 new deaths reported today, 89 people that passed away were over the age of 80 years old, 70 people who died were between the ages of 65 and 79 years old, 40 people who died were between the ages of 50 and 64 years old, and 18 people who died were between the ages of 30 and 49 years old. Nine deaths were reported by the City of Long Beach."

85 out of 227 who died had underlying health conditions. That means that a whopping 142 people did not.

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[saibot]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

Watch a few Garcetti news conferences. I think he mentions over/under once in a while. I think it's always been less than 80% who are old (I'm being vague because I can't remember if he says 60, 65, or something else) and might have been around 60% sometimes. It is not the just-kills-elderly-people disease you and some others want to think it is, and there have been enough highly publicized deaths of people who weren't that old.

I don't know the LA county numbers, but the OC numbers are at my fingertips.

To date, 74.5% of deaths have been age 65 and up. This age group represents 11% of confirmed cases.

1.7% of deaths have been under age 35. This age group represents 44% of confirmed cases.

It's not all-or-nothing, obviously, but it's disingenuous for anyone to claim that this virus is not far more dangerous for the elderly than for the young.

[goodheathen]

Originally Posted by saibot

I don't know the LA county numbers, but the OC numbers are at my fingertips.

To date, 74.5% of deaths have been age 65 and up. This age group represents 11% of confirmed cases.

1.7% of deaths have been under age 35. This age group represents 44% of confirmed cases.

It's not all-or-nothing, obviously, but it's disingenuous for anyone to claim that this virus is not far more dangerous for the elderly than for the young.

It would be, except that nobody I know claims that. But it's also wrong to leave out the middle-aged. The threat exists, more to men than women, with middle-aged men probably more economically productive than any other group. Is it killing many higher earners? Probably not, but it is killing primary earners.

[CA4Now]

Dr. Kim-Farley is right. There's still time to cancel travel and/or gathering plans.

The tally reported Friday (Jan. 1) pushed the average number of new daily coronavirus cases over the last week to 16,077 — precisely around the same time that epidemiologists warned that people infected around the Christmas holiday would begin to become infectious.

The county also posted a high death toll Friday — 193 deaths, the fourth-highest single day death toll. New Year’s Day followed three consecutive days of record deaths reported in one day — 242 on Tuesday, 262 on Wednesday and 291 on Thursday. Combined, 988 deaths were reported in this four-day period.

Dr. Robert Kim-Farley, medical epidemiologist and infectious diseases expert with the UCLA Fielding School of Public Health, said L.A. County was in the midst of a “viral tsunami,” but added that “we should not be frozen in despair that there is nothing we can do.”

“Now is the time to get to ‘higher ground’ — in this case, higher ground means staying at home and not mixing with others outside of your household as much as possible and not being outside where the viral tsunami could reach us,” Kim-Farley said.

Despite the grim outlook for the weeks ahead, Kim-Farley said, “there’s no question in my mind that had we not had the stay-at-home order, the situation would be far more dire than it is now.

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...hristmas-surge