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Here's something to throw into the gears. What if it is not a point of naming them because they were Confederates but because of their wonderful fighting skill especially if their tactics were used by Americans in latter battles?
I was looking at the names of some of the DDG-2 class, particularly Semmes, Waddell, and Buchanan. What can be said about those men? Well, Buchanan as the commissioning Captain of the Virginia brought about the shift of the US Navy to iron ships. It might have happened eventually but, conceivably, he forced the decision at the right moment when it wasn't too painful or that much of a disaster.
Semmes and Waddell as commerce raiders were successful Captains operating in a very hostile world. Were some of their tactics used by US submarine commanders in later years?
Just saying of the possibilities but remember, if the victor uses the same tactics as the enemy, it makes it rather difficult to charge the enemy for doing so. (ie, for how Doenitz conducted the U-Boat war, Admiral Nimitz told his submarines to do the same thing)
Why not name bases after Rommel then? He was a brilliant tactician.
Give the traitors credit in the history books for their successful strategies of attacking the U.S.
But leave their names off U.S. military bases.
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Oh, you mean in the US? Well something to keep in mind in the actual Civil War was that Lincoln never had the Confederacy as a separate country. He never gave them that recognition. As such, at least in a possible sense, those of the Confederacy were still Americans. https://www.nps.gov/liho/learn/histo...ofcontents.htm
Oh, you mean in the US? Well something to keep in mind in the actual Civil War was that Lincoln never had the Confederacy as a separate country. He never gave them that recognition. As such, at least in a possible sense, those of the Confederacy were still Americans. https://www.nps.gov/liho/learn/histo...ofcontents.htm
You keep talking about ships, though, which is not the same thing as posts. The US Army has named helicopters after its former adversaries as well.
Perhaps not but we have named them for at least 4 Confederates.
Oh, you mean Native Americans?
Well, when it comes to them, US wise, they are like kings in the Roman Empire as once enemies, now allies, in a matter of thinking. Maybe not like Abdulaziz of Saudi Arabia (attack, defeat, marry the eldest daughter, make her pregnant, divorce her but be united by offspring) but a similar end result.
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You do realize that all GEN Milley said was that he had read a book and thought it important to know the info? That it was important for West Point cadets to understand alternate viewpoints.
Then Tucker got ahold of it and blew it into so much more.
Based on the climate that I have seen in the last 6 months or so, Milley can make whatever public statement he wants to in order to try and deflect criticism, but something is definitely going on behind the scenes.
I was sitting in on a briefing just last week and I heard one of the most outrageous comments from a senior leader that I’ve ever heard in my 30 years of service. I looked around the room, dead silence. A few people probably agreed with it, while many were likely too scared to say anything. As a contractor, I have to be very careful. I’m there to assist the folks in uniform, and be a force multiplier, not question policy, and I have no doubt I’d get walked off the base pretty quickly.
I don’t believe that these leaders are making comments completely off the cuff, either. My theory is that they are being given guidance from the Pentagon and encouraged to say stuff like this.
So while I agree that the right is blowing it up into something more than it is, the left is doing the same thing, minimizing it and saying it’s nothing when it absolutely is something.
Based on the climate that I have seen in the last 6 months or so, Milley can make whatever public statement he wants to in order to try and deflect criticism, but something is definitely going on behind the scenes.
I was sitting in on a briefing just last week and I heard one of the most outrageous comments from a senior leader that I’ve ever heard in my 30 years of service. I looked around the room, dead silence. A few people probably agreed with it, while many were likely too scared to say anything. As a contractor, I have to be very careful. I’m there to assist the folks in uniform, and be a force multiplier, not question policy, and I have no doubt I’d get walked off the base pretty quickly.
I don’t believe that these leaders are making comments completely off the cuff, either. My theory is that they are being given guidance from the Pentagon and encouraged to say stuff like this.
So while I agree that the right is blowing it up into something more than it is, the left is doing the same thing, minimizing it and saying it’s nothing when it absolutely is something.
Certainly. The example of Germany has been noted. They absolutely have not "cancelled" their Nazi history, they teach it extensively...as something not to be repeated. And they don't have statues to any Nazi leaders.
Excellent point.
Of course, if some of the Republican politicians in the news were in Germany they would be trying to outlaw the teaching of "Critical German History".
I totally agree that we should rename all those U.S. military bases that are named after Jane Fonda.
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