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Old 11-17-2023, 11:00 AM
 
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In a real war against China/Russia today without using nukes. I don't really think the US can win because we don't have the soldiers and factory capacity to beat China. It's estimated that majority of US soldiers are overweight.
The majority of soldiers are "overweight" in China/Russia...but they're not. You guys really need to educate yourselves on BMI cutoff values instead of deliberately confirming your negative biases by misconstruing them. A 25 BMI doesn't indicate fatness. The vast majority of amateur or professional athletes have overweight or obese BMIs. Anyone with any notable amount of muscle mass, or a healthy/average balance of muscle and fat mass, is going to have a BMI of at least 25. The cutoff values are set misleadingly low, and they also don't translate cross-ethnically.

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Old 11-17-2023, 11:02 AM
 
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Yep. Pearl Harbor. We haven’t actually won a war since then. I used to live in Singapore. Two years active duty and reserve training for a few years thereafter. They also train in Taiwan and Brunei. Singapore is much more authoritarian than the US and there isn’t much opposition to it for fear of prosecution. I can’t imagine another draft here unless something catastrophic happened.
...Yes, we have. We've won every war since Pearl Harbor. COIN isn't the same thing as WWII
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Old 11-17-2023, 11:03 AM
 
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...Yes, we have. We've won every war since Pearl Harbor. COIN isn't the same thing as WWII
You mean we have won most battles since WW2.
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Old 11-17-2023, 11:07 AM
 
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What I'm hearing is a lot of people rationalizing anti-Americanism. You guys seem to have a determinedly negative view of the US and the people who live in it. This isn't about current political trends - you really need to look past that, at some point. This endless self-flagellation that Americans exhibit is stark and strange considering Americans are always misrepresented as patriotic.

You guys are making excuses for your anti-American worldview. And to claim we couldn't win a war against China and/or Russia is ignorant, self-flagellating nonsense.

You hear Germans, Brits, Australians, etc, talk about their countries and it's mindless positivity, "rah rah, America sucks, we're the best" - they ignore and suppress any negative information that would cause them to lose faith in their country. Americans make up stuff to hate their country for, and embrace any foreign lies about it.

Americans appear to be cynical, nihilistic losers. They exalt in decay. They hope for destruction. They are rootless, unfaithful people who don't understand the value of a place. They shill for foreign anti-Americanism. We have a narcissism problem in this country. People don't care about this countries history, its culture, its values, the founding fathers, the freedoms and luxuries we take for granted, they just want to be self-serving, entirely.

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Old 11-17-2023, 11:10 AM
 
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What I'm hearing is a lot of people rationalizing anti-Americanism. You guys seem to have a determinedly negative view of the US and the people who live in it. This isn't about current political trends - you really need to look past that, at some point. This endless self-flagellation that Americans exhibit is stark and strange considering Americans are always misrepresented as patriotic.

You guys are making excuses for your anti-American worldview. And to claim we couldn't win a war against China and/or Russia is ignorant, self-flagellating nonsense.

You hear Germans, Brits, Australians, etc, talk about their countries and it's mindless positivity, "rah rah, America sucks, we're the best" - they ignore and suppress any negative information that would cause them to lose faith in their country.

Meanwhile, Americans appear to be cynical, nihilistic losers. They exalt in decay. They hope for destruction. They are rootless, unfaitful people who don't understand the value of a place. They shill for foreign anti-Americanism.
Your just listening to the wrong crowd on here. Talk to those of us who have served and know what the US has been and can be and youll hear a different story. Sure, you are going to have the nay sayers but you are going to run into those everywhere in every group.
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Old 11-17-2023, 02:25 PM
 
Location: San Diego CA
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...Yes, we have. We've won every war since Pearl Harbor. COIN isn't the same thing as WWII
Factually incorrect. Please do some more reading. Counter insurgency and declared war. You have to conclusively defeat the enemy in both cases.
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Old 11-17-2023, 02:26 PM
 
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Factually incorrect. Please do some more reading. Counter insurgency and declared war. You have to conclusively defeat the enemy in both cases.
Also have to have a declared war in order to win one.
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Old 11-17-2023, 02:54 PM
 
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Factually incorrect. Please do some more reading. Counter insurgency and declared war. You have to conclusively defeat the enemy in both cases.
Is that what is part of this, that if Congress doesn't declare war, people aren't fighting?

Then if pirates attack our shipping, we should do nothing? Of course, there was the Mayaguez and more recently, Somalia, but our history is plenty of tackling that one such as with the Barbary Wars (if undeclared as noted here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War ).

And while not one of piracy, what was the undeclared naval war of 1941 (ie, USS Reuben James).

Long story short, it seems it is all self righteous to say if it isn't declared, one isn't fighting........but it sucks if one is caught in the middle, ie crew on captured and attack vessels, while Congress makes up its mind.
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Old 11-17-2023, 04:13 PM
 
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The majority of soldiers are "overweight" in China/Russia...but they're not. You guys really need to educate yourselves on BMI cutoff values instead of deliberately confirming your negative biases by misconstruing them. A 25 BMI doesn't indicate fatness. The vast majority of amateur or professional athletes have overweight or obese BMIs. Anyone with any notable amount of muscle mass, or a healthy/average balance of muscle and fat mass, is going to have a BMI of at least 25. The cutoff values are set misleadingly low, and they also don't translate cross-ethnically.
The military knows that. We knew that back in the late 70s when BMI first came into use in the military. They do fatness measurements when a troop goes "overweight" according to BMI, and if he's not truly over-fat he gets a waiver. To be frank, though, the percentage of overweight by BMI who aren't actually fat is probably small in the military overall. Most people in uniform are not rucking.

However, in terms of hot-button rhetoric, I don't know if reports of soldiers being overweight are taking from the gross BMI statistics or the net numbers after the fatness measurements have been taken and waivers issued.
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Old 11-17-2023, 04:15 PM
 
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Is that what is part of this, that if Congress doesn't declare war, people aren't fighting?

Then if pirates attack our shipping, we should do nothing? Of course, there was the Mayaguez and more recently, Somalia, but our history is plenty of tackling that one such as with the Barbary Wars (if undeclared as noted here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War ).

And while not one of piracy, what was the undeclared naval war of 1941 (ie, USS Reuben James).

Long story short, it seems it is all self righteous to say if it isn't declared, one isn't fighting........but it sucks if one is caught in the middle, ie crew on captured and attack vessels, while Congress makes up its mind.
It's all still war from the troop's point of view.
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