10-25-2007, 12:42 AM
Location: Wichita Falls, TX
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Sorry for the long title. I was in one of these places for about 6 months. The way they treat people in these facilities is outrageous. I think everyone should stand up and do something about the abuse and misleading programs in Sanders County particularly Thompson Falls. They have the sheriffs under payroll so he says nothing and lets it all happen. And all the while abusing teenagers and taking away their liberties. I have found a few videos and I encourage you to watch them and find other articles online. This needs to be stopped and everyone should take a stand
YouTube - Tough Schools
there is also a video called whos watching the kids? and it was on montana pbs
http://www.montanapbs.org/WhosWatchingTheKids/ (broken link)
thanks for taking the time to read this and please discuss on here what you think of these places if you have any news
10-25-2007, 06:19 AM
Location: LEAVING CD
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So are you saying that all of the camps for out of control kids are bad?
10-25-2007, 12:21 PM
Location: Wichita Falls, TX
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yes.... unless you watch the video you won't understand.... because they are not legally helping anyone.... they abuse children is what they do and if you think thats ok then i can't even begin to describe how wrong you are.
10-25-2007, 12:57 PM
Location: LEAVING CD
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fromthebay
yes.... unless you watch the video you won't understand.... because they are not legally helping anyone.... they abuse children is what they do and if you think thats ok then i can't even begin to describe how wrong you are.
I did watch the video but it doesn't address all of the camps, it didn't talk about many boot camps that I could tell. The reason I ask is what is seen as "abuse" by some may be seen as just severe disipline by others. I don't go for the beating thing but military boot camp style disipline like runing,hiking, push ups, manual labor and some kind of confinement if you refuse to go along with the program coupled with schooling and mental health assistance is fine IMO.
The next question I have for you is are you a parent? And if so do you have a child like one that could be placed in one of these facilities?
10-25-2007, 04:45 PM
Location: Wichita Falls, TX
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jimj
I did watch the video but it doesn't address all of the camps, it didn't talk about many boot camps that I could tell. The reason I ask is what is seen as "abuse" by some may be seen as just severe disipline by others. I don't go for the beating thing but military boot camp style disipline like runing,hiking, push ups, manual labor and some kind of confinement if you refuse to go along with the program coupled with schooling and mental health assistance is fine IMO.
No I am one of the children who was placed in one of these places. The boot camp is one thing but these are schools designed to break you down and put your mentality down to that of a 8 yr old. Not aloud to speak to familiy for up to 6 months at a time and when you are it is so closely monitored that if you say anything negative the phone call or letters will be stopped immediately. Those more unfortunate are beat for disobeying rules and the like. It is a cruel environment
10-25-2007, 07:29 PM
Location: LEAVING CD
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Ok, having been one of "those teens" at a time when what they did was throw you in kiddie jail I can relate. After watching the film and assuming that it's all true I would have to agree with you. I wish boot camps (the definition I gave above) had existed when I was a teen since I would've been straightened out a lot sooner than USMC boot camp!
10-25-2007, 08:58 PM
Location: Wichita Falls, TX
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im not a huge fan of bill oreilly but how would i go about doing that i am more serious then anyone can believe
10-26-2007, 09:57 AM
Location: LEAVING CD
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I'm no huge fan either but I'm betting he'll jump on it for the ratings... Fan or not he does have pull. Go to his website and look up how to contact him....
10-27-2007, 04:46 PM
Location: Lala Land Montana
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Have you ever considered that these places are supposed to be hard? We don't want our kids or anyone else's to be in the justice system. So if you are caught for a crime and you start crying cause you can't stand the heat, then don't commit these offenses in Montana. Go to California where you will be treated as royalty while you spend our 18 hours in jail for serious crimes. In Montana we VOTED for stiffer sentencing to be a deterant.
10-27-2007, 05:23 PM
Location: LEAVING CD
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Have you ever considered that these places are supposed to be hard? We don't want our kids or anyone else's to be in the justice system. So if you are caught for a crime and you start crying cause you can't stand the heat, then don't commit these offenses in Montana. Go to California where you will be treated as royalty while you spend our 18 hours in jail for serious crimes. In Montana we VOTED for stiffer sentencing to be a deterant.
I don't think the OP or I for that matter have a problem with doing the time for the crime and as I outlined above I've got no problem with a boot camp but the camps outlined in the video are used for parents to place their "problem" children and taking the reports above at face value the kids are abused far past a boot camp vs deterred. As for the CA reference, unless you've been in one of those facilities (I have) or personally know people who have (I do) you have no idea, and trust me, the CA Youth Authority is no joke. The have everything that an adult jail has except the kids being young have no idea how to interact with others at all.
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House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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