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Old 10-13-2011, 09:45 AM
 
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It's interesting to see people laugh this off or start to peddle the left-right BS.

The track that this city is on is not sustainable for the low to mid middle class (those making between ~40-85k). This isn't a joke.You have 5 million people essentially supporting 20 million people in NYS.
The only thing keeping this city and state afloat is the Financial Services and restaurant industry. The restaurant industry is heavikly dependent on the Fin Serv industry though.
NYC/NYS has no other viable industries left. Textiles and manufacturing left a long time ago.


The only people who laugh at this are those heavily benefiting from the welfare state and naive transplants who think that NYC is as expensive as it is simply because it's a major city.
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Old 10-13-2011, 09:52 AM
 
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Oh boy...not only is he complaining about NYC..which he has some decent gripes about...he lost all credibility when he threw in the "oh yeah thats why half of Mexico and PR live here." Moderator cut: Personal attack As if any of these people came here for the benefits...they came here like everyone else..TO WORK and improve their lot in life. And of course, everyone else who is not brown or black gets a free pass!

Sterpetron, it's long time you head out of this miserable city to the Utopia that is the rest of the country....after all those are "real" Americans and patriots afterall right? Lily white, guns, wal-marts, and none of those horrible brown folks! Enjoy!

Wawaee..nobody is taking an economic lesson from you..but I did have a good laugh reading your comment.

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Old 10-13-2011, 10:04 AM
 
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It's interesting to see people laugh this off or start to peddle the left-right BS.

The track that this city is on is not sustainable for the low to mid middle class (those making between ~40-85k). This isn't a joke.You have 5 million people essentially supporting 20 million people in NYS. The only thing keeping this city and state afloat is the Financial Services and restaurant industry. The restaurant industry is heavikly dependent on the Fin Serv industry though. NYC/NYS has no other viable industries left. Textiles and manufacturing left a long time ago.

The only people who laugh at this are those heavily benefiting from the welfare state and naive transplants who think that NYC is as expensive as it is simply because it's a major city.
Well said. When the tax base completely collapses - as the federal government can no longer subsidize the failing government of NYC/NYS - they will scream all they want, the money will no longer be there to pay for their lazy, useless lifestyles. THEN they will wake up - but we, the income producers and hard workers, will be gone. We'll see if the idiots like some in this thread boasting of how "they got theirs", i.e,, free education, etc., will still be singing the same tune...
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Old 10-13-2011, 10:09 AM
 
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...it's long time you head out of this miserable city to the Utopia that is the rest of the country...
All the New Yorkers who love to complain about the city so much seem to think along those lines. But is there really a Utopia somewhere else in the country? Or even on the planet, for that matter?

If there is, why hasn't everyone already left town?
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Old 10-13-2011, 10:31 AM
 
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All the New Yorkers who love to complain about the city so much seem to think along those lines. But is there really a Utopia somewhere else in the country? Or even on the planet, for that matter?

If there is, why hasn't everyone already left town?
What exactly are you arguing?

That NYC is not a welfare state?
That NYC's spending is not out of control?
That NYC does not have too many workers on its payroll? With a sizable group literally not doing anything productive.
That the middle class- upper middle in NYC is not being squeezed for every last cent?
That every new tax or fee generating proposal is not another burden on an already overburdened tax base?

If you acknowledge that there are problems then why is it bad to complain about them? Especially when the government doesn't want to solve them.

We're not talking about trivial matters here.

There's no free lunch and there's no question the rise of NYC out of the doldrums of the 70's and 80's was in part due to the growth of the city government and the monetary squeeze instituted on its middle and upper middle class residents.

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Old 10-13-2011, 10:39 AM
 
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Yes there are problems, the question is: Are they unique to NYC? Or are they a SOCIETAL ISSUE? And the answer is it is a societal issue..which is why the country is $13 Trillion ++ in debit, has a bloated government, and has created a welfare state (for people AND corporations).

So although NYC has these problems, we know that they are problems of the US, and not just NYC. That's called critical thinking and not simply "NYC spends too much and we need to complain about it" or " NYC is a welfare case therefore I am leaving this hellohole."
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Old 10-13-2011, 10:44 AM
 
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Yes there are problems, the question is: Are they unique to NYC? Or are they a SOCIETAL ISSUE? And the answer is it is a societal issue..which is why the country is $13 Trillion ++ in debit, has a bloated government, and has created a welfare state (for people AND corporations).

So although NYC has these problems, we know that they are problems of the US, and not just NYC. That's called critical thinking and not simply "NYC spends too much and we need to complain about it" or " NYC is a welfare case therefore I am leaving this hellohole."
Of course it's a societal issue but NYC takes it to another level.

If you don't see that then you've either haven't been to the rest of the country much or you're lying.

Your line of "critical thinking" would argue that since crime is a societal issue then there are really no such things as high crime areas. The same scrutiny should be directed towards the UES as is directed toward East New York. Likewise, East NY residents shouldn't really complain about the high crime rate because crime is a societal problem.

Furthermore, if you did any critically thinking than you'd realize that the debt growth of the US is tied to specific causes and not just "society". Namely the welfare state, the war state, and the federal behemoth (from which the welfare state is able to exist).
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Old 10-13-2011, 11:03 AM
 
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All the New Yorkers who love to complain about the city so much seem to think along those lines. But is there really a Utopia somewhere else in the country? Or even on the planet, for that matter?

If there is, why hasn't everyone already left town?
More people have moved out of the state of NY over the past 10 years than any other state in the country.

Clearly, you're not caught up with current facts.
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Old 10-13-2011, 11:05 AM
 
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NYC takes it to another level, but it is a symptom of the problem. The whole body is sick, and not just your nose when you sneeze..get it? We can pick and choose problems, whether it is crime, debt, waste, corruption, etc..all of which effect NYC, but the underlying problem is our society as a whole, and the US system which promotes these dysfunctions.

People can berate and complain about the horrors of NYC, but the reality is we as a country are suffering these ills, it just so happens that it is more in your face here than every other place. It is much easier to hide in a suburban house in Arkansas, and completely controll your environment (who you see, who you have to interact with etc), and believe "it is a better place." Is that the reality? NO.

You want to believe NYC is horrible, and a terrible place, congrats. The reality is the US is suffering these problems, and NYC and everyother place are just symptoms of the underlying issue. You are welcome to live in a fantasy world in Opaloopa, Missouri where everyone seems nice, people smile (to your face), and there is little (street-level/petty) crime, and believe "this is better than NYC"...but those places suffer their own ills, which although different than NYC, are all symptoms of the larger problem. You are doing nothing more than changing one set of dysfunction for another...it all depends which set you can live with (for awhile).
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Old 10-13-2011, 11:09 AM
 
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What exactly are you arguing?

That NYC is not a welfare state?
That NYC's spending is not out of control?
That NYC does not have too many workers on its payroll? With a sizable group literally not doing anything productive.
That the middle class- upper middle in NYC is not being squeezed for every last cent?
That every new tax or fee generating proposal is not another burden on an already overburdened tax base?

If you acknowledge that there are problems then why is it bad to complain about them? Especially when the government doesn't want to solve them.

We're not talking about trivial matters here.

There's no free lunch and there's no question the rise of NYC out of the doldrums of the 70's and 80's was in part due to the growth of the city government and the monetary squeeze instituted on its middle and upper middle class residents.
I don't know which is funnier, the Moderator cut: Rude leftists on this forum arguing how NYC is so financially well-managed, or the occupy wall street turds.

Anyone with an iota of the facts would know that there are more hedge funds - basically the only business startups left in NYC - moving out of NYC to CT than ever before.

If the tools at occupy wall street had any brains, they'd realize that it is the taxes those wall st. banks are paying that is for the most part sustaining the city, as Bloomberg said, if those banks leave - NYC is OVER. PERIOD.

Wall St pay some 60-70% of all taxes into the city and state, without them the city is bankrupt. Even still, it is close to insolvency now given the growth in public employee pensions, which have leaped almost 600% in 10 years.

NYC is a train that is about to fly off the rails...

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