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Well - have you been there to say it ain't so? I've lived through several storms. And where are you going to do #1 or #2 if your toilets don't work? In my case - it would be outside. But I live on an acre of land - and don't have to walk up/down 10-20 stories. Just tell me what you would do if you lived on the 15th floor of any place in any major urban area and your toilets hadn't worked for about 3-4 days now. Robyn
P.S. The more I think about it - the more I wonder why there aren't port-a-potties lining the streets in lower Manhattan. Along with portable places to wash up/shower.
Give it time for crying out loud. They don't store those things in Manhattan, and many of the areas they do store them are in equally bad shape. If people had paid attention and evacuated they'd be in shelters with showers and toilets.
NYPD drove around with loud speakers, and knocked on doors.
Yes, yes, yes and yes.
I don't know if you are in NYC, but it is all over the local news here, at least NY1 and CBS2.
I am not in NYC - but I'm a storm junkie (many of us in Florida are ) - and didn't see anything like what you're describing. Links would be appreciated. Robyn
I am not in NYC - but I'm a storm junkie (many of us in Florida are ) - and didn't see anything like what you're describing. Links would be appreciated. Robyn
P.S. What are NY1 and CBS2?
It was shown on CNN and the Weather Channel--I saw it Sunday afternoon.
I am not in NYC - but I'm a storm junkie (many of us in Florida are ) - and didn't see anything like what you're describing. Links would be appreciated. Robyn
"Almost everyone is still inside. No one is leaving," said an NYPD officer standing in the lobby of a building at Unity Towers in Coney Island. "No one thinks this is a big deal. They just won't listen." By late Monday, as the waters of New York Harbor began creeping higher, a spot check at several NYCHA projects found hundreds of residents reluctant to give ground.
....A frustrated police officer went door to door at Haber, seeking names and number of residents staying through the storm.
"These people are unbelievable," one officer muttered as he was told a woman was staying with three young children.
So to recap, here we are on page eight of this clown and pony show troll thread and the following facts have been adduced as evidence that a NOLA/Katrina situation is poppin off in "the projects":
1. an "ugly vibe"
2. bad smells (this I can believe, if no one is flushing their toilet)
3. some youths hanging out in the dark
4. OP once heard some firecrackers going off.
Did I miss anything?
Apropos of nothing, I wouldn't be surprised if every right wing jackwagon with access to a computer in the english speaking world was frantically googling "New York Sandy Riots Looting" and hoping for some hits.
I immediately thought of looting, sorry but that's just the way it is. News broadcasts have "taught" me through the years. I saw one report, was surprised of only one report and then went on to forget about it until I saw this thread. I never went "looking" for any reports of looting.
Give it time for crying out loud. They don't store those things in Manhattan, and many of the areas they do store them are in equally bad shape. If people had paid attention and evacuated they'd be in shelters with showers and toilets.
I will agree with you if they don't bring out hundreds/thousands for the Marathon on Sunday - and leave the people running to their own devices. Would you be willing to place a wager that that won't happen?
FWIW - although I agree with you strongly about heeding evacuation orders (I always evacuate when ordered to do so - or - even when not ordered - when I think it's prudent) - here's the evacuation map of NYC before Sandy:
Some tiny little slivers of land in coastal areas along the Manhattan coast line.
I reckon most caught in this mess didn't disregard evacuation orders. They just wound up with a bad deal of the cards. All the power in lower Manhattan getting blown up (along with more flooding than expected). Like the people in New Orleans who thought they had escaped Katrina - but wound up under water when the levees were breached. And the people in Miami 10-15 miles inland who were demolished in Andrew when they were hit by unexpected 125+ MPH winds. Our storm warnings and our evacuation zones aren't perfect (mine are easier than most because I've lived in zone 1 evacuation places since I moved to Florida 40+ years ago).
I mean - heck - if the big wigs at NYU Medical Center got caught with their pants down - well how can you expect more from a bunch of poor people in lower Manhattan who weren't ordered to evacuate?
Anyway - when our warnings and our evacuation order systems fail (and they will fail from time to time) - the issue is "what then". I know that the response post-Andrew was awful. So was post-Katrina. And this post-Sandy doesn't look much better to me. When I see stuff like this - it makes me sick:
Give it time for crying out loud. They don't store those things in Manhattan, and many of the areas they do store them are in equally bad shape. If people had paid attention and evacuated they'd be in shelters with showers and toilets.
I must say, while I have sympathy for those that didnt leave, this happens every single time with every single storm. People who should evacuate, never do. And we're not going to turn this into on "only rich people can leave" (though I will admit that for people with more means, prep and evacuation is easier and more comfortable), I know some people with significant means that didn't evacuate and were actually making jokes on Twitter about the storm until $h!t got real. Come the morning after, they are scrambling to get it together so they can leave the city because they were no longer able to stay in their home due to damage. With one such person, I actually looked up her area on the map and thought, "why the hell didn't you leave? Not only are you clearly in Zone A but you can damn near spit into the ocean from your yard. Obviously your home was going to flood beyond habitation."
The projects I am talking about are in zone A. From what I have witnessed, not many people left. I live in zone C, I did not evacuate. Most people in the surrounding neighborhoods, LES, Tribeca, Soho are gone. Even in Chinatown, many of the Chinese have fled. Most of the people that remain downtown are project people.
"Almost everyone is still inside. No one is leaving," said an NYPD officer standing in the lobby of a building at Unity Towers in Coney Island. "No one thinks this is a big deal. They just won't listen." By late Monday, as the waters of New York Harbor began creeping higher, a spot check at several NYCHA projects found hundreds of residents reluctant to give ground.
....A frustrated police officer went door to door at Haber, seeking names and number of residents staying through the storm.
"These people are unbelievable," one officer muttered as he was told a woman was staying with three young children.
2 of our local news stations in NYC.
I was talking about lower Manhattan - where the OP is - not Brooklyn. Show me poor people in lower Manhattan who defied evacuation orders (big deal rich people did - but they are now all in luxury hotels in upper Manhattan or their second or third or fourth houses elsewhere). Really rich people can always afford to ignore all warnings - and then buy their way out of trouble:
I reckon most caught in this mess didn't disregard evacuation orders. They just wound up with a bad deal of the cards.
I mean - heck - if the big wigs at NYU Medical Center got caught with their pants down - well how can you expect more from a bunch of poor people in lower Manhattan who weren't ordered to evacuate?
Robyn
I think you "reckon" wrong, Robyn. Every single person who didn't obey the mandatory evacuation has said "I was wrong", "I shoulda listened".
The hospital was another animal. They had backup sources but they guessed wrong. NO hospital wants to evacuate their patients to another hospital.
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) - and didn't see anything like what you're describing. Links would be appreciated. Robyn
