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LOL!Wow.The lessons of irony.How in the world does one like you get all indignant about how you believe in individualism but yet in the SAME message go into an incensed rant about how you dont have to deal with the South?Whatever that means.Last time I checked it was the United States of America.
oh but I dont have an Ivy League education so what do I know?
Actually I do know quite a bit as I have posted plenty of facts ,links to articles aetc..but you have just given your opinions in which a few have been factually debunked,
I guess it would make me irritated like you also if I basically made up stuff to fit my shallow [rovincial miondset then have it turned back on me usingmy own words too.
Your arguments are childish and loaded with shallow,egotistical and frankly just plain ignorant and peppered with arrogance and I saw right through it in your first post.
Tell me what race or ethnicity leave their homes in most cases if they can afford to stay put.?This is true EVERYWHERE not just the North.What rich folks that made there money in the South are moving North unless they have more than home in different regione?
Oprah was born in MS and went school in TN but made her money in Chicago,The other blacks you mention were successful stayed mostlywhere they grew up in the region like Eric Holder from the Bronk and went to school just a few blocks South at Columbia.
He only first moved to D.C.because of an appoint as a judge.
As for the South,Tyler Peryy,Usher,Sheila Johnson,Percy Miller,,Herman J, RussellDr,Dre are the richest black Americans and ALL of them live where they are from except Tyler Perry who is from New Orleans but calls Atlanta home.
Also how do you explain Atlanta having the fastest growing and second largest black millionaire population?
Some dump and third rate city for the people to "choose" to live here.
Oh and you can go on all you want about individualism which you have displayed by your remarks is you actually just sounding like another "groupie "who claims to be different because I guess you are African American and CHOOSE to live where there are less African Americans and more whites in an effort to appear "open minded"
Funny how I live in an upper middle class neighborhood in the house I grew in with two white Germans ,a Brazilian. and we get along great and the majority black professionals and the several Asian and Hispanic families are extremely friendly and accepting.
So whether you live in a diverse area,mostly white or mostly black people will acceot you whether its in Te South or North so jst stop it with "individualism" crap.People like to be more near things and people thaye have in common.
BYE FELICIA!(Too "ghetto" for you?)
My arguments are not childish at all. What is childish is you are too invested in promoting Atlanta. You can like it all you want to, but I never will.
Apart of being an adult is realizing not everyone will like everything you like, and you cannot argue against that. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
I just pointed out I really don't care much about other African Americans, so I really don't care who moves to Atlanta. I also don't care that Atlanta supposedly has the 2nd biggest population of Black millionaires. So what, it's not where the nation's real money is and it's not like Blacks are the wealthiest group in the nation so that is irrelevant information to me.
And yes Atlanta is a third rate city that is no NYC, London, Paris, Los Angeles, Berlin, Madrid, etc. It isn't anywhere in that calibur.
And it looks like I touched a nerve. You're just rambling now.
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So because I disagree with you I have no life experience.
And as for the taxi, again the true issue of money comes up. These poor people are dreaming of a place where they can easily get buy on NO MONEY. No such place exists.
If you can't afford a taxi to take you to essential appointments in upstate NY, how are you going to afford transportation in the South? You do realize getting around is not for free there either and you'd end up having to pay someone to take you places if you can't drive?
A person who lives rural upstate NY and moves to a Southern city will not save money, particularly if they want to move to a nice area. Not happening. Some poor old person with only a social security check from a small town in NYC is not moving to Atlanta or Miami to buy a nice house.
At best they could just move to a crappy rural Southern area. Well they won't have to deal with the cold. But that's about it!
You stated your a graduate student, make no mention of spouse or family, plan on living in NY, Hong Kong or some other world city after graduation, none of your examples are personal experience. That is why I say you have no life experiences not because you disagree. You are probably around 25 and single because a married person would reference their spouses career and children (if applicable) when choosing to live abroad.
You really believe most people are retiring on the 5 star gold plan? Their not, for many their resources are modest and they need to stretch them to what they believe gives them the most bang for their buck. The equity in their home is the biggest asset they have and keeping a large home doesn't pay for them with the taxes, utility costs and upkeep.
A persons ability to pay for a taxi is not a bench mark standard to determine if you can afford retirement. You continue to think that retirees for the most part are choosing to live down some dirt road out in the boonies, most choose locations with significant numbers of retirees and features transportation included.
Why do you think Florida is so popular, it's more than the warmth.
At least in the smaller cities in the finger lakes region, I saw plenty of old people (and students and working people) on various buses in Ithaca, NY, Cortland, and Syracuse. There was also a decent presence of taxis. So between buses and taxis elderly people and others who couldn't or didn't want to drive where easily able to get around.
This may not be true of every community in NYS, but there are certainly communities in upstate NY outside the finger lakes (Albany, Rochestor, and Buffalo) that again have decent bus service, again have decent taxi services so it would be easier to get around without a car.
Another thing I like about upstate NY is NY subsidized intracity bus service. So if one had to go to in between upstate cities (at least the ones with colleges) one could take Greyhound, Trailways, or Shortline.
Many small towns in the South no longer have Greyhound service. On transportation services alone, much of the South simply SUCK! You may more taxes in NYS, but you get what you pay for. So have fun living in cheap, crappy dumps in the mosquito infested South. LOL
And you will have to go long distances to go to doctors. If you move to the nicest cities in the South that will be expensive. Northerners looking for low cost can't do the nicest parts of the South.
Again, maybe Elmira/Chemung County doesn't fit your definition of a "smaller city," but I can tell you from both anecdotal evidence and first-hand experience that the bus services are not exactly convenient.
I lived in Albany for a couple years when I was in my 20s, and that was where I had my first experience with public transportation. From what I remember there, the buses (at least to-from the locations I needed) were reliable, frequent, and affordable.
Here....not so much. I live in Elmira, and work in Corning. There is one bus route that will run that route - 20 Elmira-Corning . My typical work hours are 8-4:30 -- however, were I to rely on the bus schedule, the last bus leaves at 3:50. And the stop closest to my home departs at 6:45 -- a problem with a small school-aged child in the house. I also know there have been some problems lately with people needing to get from Elmira to the Guthrie Health services in Sayre, PA (in Elmira there are 2 medical systems - the Arnot Ogden network and the Guthrie network - Arnot has a hospital in Elmira, but Guthrie's hospital is Robert Packer in Sayre, plus many of their specialists are located there). So yes, you will travel long distances for medical care in NYS - I know people who have had to go to Rochester (about 2 hours away) for things like cancer treatment, pediatric specialists, and other things.
Local taxis? I really don't know, I don't use them. I'm never impressed by the condition of the vehicles I see on the streets, and the Yelp reviews are terrible (I think the biggest local name on the taxi scene is Totem Taxi).
But then too, I didn't move out here expecting to find outstanding public transportation. The population is too scattered to make "full-service" - as defined by big-city residents - affordable or even possible.
You stated your a graduate student, make no mention of spouse or family, plan on living in NY, Hong Kong or some other world city after graduation, none of your examples are personal experience. That is why I say you have no life experiences not because you disagree. You are probably around 25 and single because a married person would reference their spouses career and children (if applicable) when choosing to live abroad.
You really believe most people are retiring on the 5 star gold plan? Their not, for many their resources are modest and they need to stretch them to what they believe gives them the most bang for their buck. The equity in their home is the biggest asset they have and keeping a large home doesn't pay for them with the taxes, utility costs and upkeep.
A persons ability to pay for a taxi is not a bench mark standard to determine if you can afford retirement. You continue to think that retirees for the most part are choosing to live down some dirt road out in the boonies, most choose locations with significant numbers of retirees and features transportation included.
Why do you think Florida is so popular, it's more than the warmth.
I am not someone who puts his entire life story on the internet. You do not know my relationship status or my age and I have not stated either on this forum.
I have plenty of experience dealing with retirees who sadly moved to the sourh and I cannot help them. Again they have great difficulty in gstting to the doctor and other important appointments and there are no younger people to help them. Those peopme I mention are my relatives. But that isnt life experience in your mind because i don't praise the south. I have been all over the south and hated every state. I do like international cities that you apparently cannot afford to live in so all you can do is hate and convince yourself that your great insight has landed you in utopia.
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I am not someone who puts his entire life story on the internet. You do not know my relationship status or my age and I have not stated either on this forum.
I have plenty of experience dealing with retirees who sadly moved to the sourh and I cannot help them. Again they have great difficulty in gstting to the doctor and other important appointments and there are no younger people to help them. Those peopme I mention are my relatives. But that isnt life experience in your mind because i don't praise the south. I have been all over the south and hated every state. I do like international cities that you apparently cannot afford to live in so all you can do is hate and convince yourself that your great insight has landed you in utopia.
Your right you haven't posted your life story, as I said before your postings read as someone who is younger and single. Being in graduate school and referencing the bus routes between college towns just reinforces what I perceive you to be.
Sorry your experiences with retirees was poor, it would appear they didn't make the right choice but as others have pointed out to you services in rural areas are just as challenging even in NY but you are the authority so their points are mute.
I don't care if you praise the south but to condemn an entire region as not worthy because you say so is pretty childish, saying "That the South sucks, that moving there isn't necessarily a great thing, and it is no retirement paradise." , real good argument...
In a nutshell I don't think NY, especially the city is a good choice for many especially to retire but I don't chastise those who have made that choice. All I said about international cities is that you consider them other than NYC, are you so insecure that you view this as a personal attack? You did say "If I leave NYC it will be for LA or London or Hong Kong. Major international cities". My ability to live in them is not an issue, I have seen plenty of the world and prefer to live in the good old USA. The only reference I made to where I live was comparing the quality/availability of hospitals to what my folks dealt with in NY, I have not suggested you move down here...
You are posting the same arguments on the NY State and NY City boards and no one is accepting your opinions. I also read where others are speaking against your views/opinions on minorities and the poor but I guess being superior in your mind gives you the right to say what you want..
My arguments are not childish at all. What is childish is you are too invested in promoting Atlanta. You can like it all you want to, but I never will.
Apart of being an adult is realizing not everyone will like everything you like, and you cannot argue against that. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
I just pointed out I really don't care much about other African Americans, so I really don't care who moves to Atlanta. I also don't care that Atlanta supposedly has the 2nd biggest population of Black millionaires. So what, it's not where the nation's real money is and it's not like Blacks are the wealthiest group in the nation so that is irrelevant information to me.
And yes Atlanta is a third rate city that is no NYC, London, Paris, Los Angeles, Berlin, Madrid, etc. It isn't anywhere in that calibur.
And it looks like I touched a nerve. You're just rambling now.
No you didnt touch a nerve..You just showed how ignorant you are.
I did not promote ANYWHERE.Once again you talk bad about one area of the country and deride the choices people make to move where they want AND now you talk about "Im promoting Atlanta" after your very first post making all kinds of fabrications about the South and people who move there and you dont expect someone to call you out on your obvious bias and disdain?
I am not someone who puts his entire life story on the internet. You do not know my relationship status or my age and I have not stated either on this forum.
I have plenty of experience dealing with retirees who sadly moved to the sourh and I cannot help them. Again they have great difficulty in gstting to the doctor and other important appointments and there are no younger people to help them. Those peopme I mention are my relatives. But that isnt life experience in your mind because i don't praise the south. I have been all over the south and hated every state. I do like international cities that you apparently cannot afford to live in so all you can do is hate and convince yourself that your great insight has landed you in utopia.
Do really not understand that the things you mention are not confined to one region?
If I had only one parent alive and they moved to rural NY where they have no family other than in NYC and Rodchester,do you not think they also would have problems?The difference between you and me is I have NEVER hated not one area I have been.I have lived all over the world and the U.S.
Every place others hated I made the best of it and found what was unique with that area.Of course some I liked better than pthers but those experiences ha ve made me more well rounded and able to understand different points of view.
BTW I have lived in NYC.I loved it at first.Who would'nt?However afer3 moths I did not care for it at all.Was not my style.Just way too populated and I HATED the snow.the cost was just not worth it.
You just dont get that everybody does not want to be in NYC!Its you who cant accept others taste From the very beginning you just made comments about the type of people who would move South.And you are STILL doing it!! .
I'm just getting a chuckle from all of his rants. He is a legend in his own young grasshopper mind, bless his heart.
Maybe he needs to come down to the Charleston area and see all the "poor" and "old" people who've come here because they don't have a penny to their names, hahahahah. Yeah sure, life here is absolutely miserable, and we all want to go back up north. LOL!!
Do really not understand that the things you mention are not confined to one region?
If I had only one parent alive and they moved to rural NY where they have no family other than in NYC and Rodchester,do you not think they also would have problems?The difference between you and me is I have NEVER hated not one area I have been.I have lived all over the world and the U.S.
Every place others hated I made the best of it and found what was unique with that area.Of course some I liked better than pthers but those experiences ha ve made me more well rounded and able to understand different points of view.
BTW I have lived in NYC.I loved it at first.Who would'nt?However afer3 moths I did not care for it at all.Was not my style.Just way too populated and I HATED the snow.the cost was just not worth it.
You just dont get that everybody does not want to be in NYC!Its you who cant accept others taste From the very beginning you just made comments about the type of people who would move South.And you are STILL doing it!! .
Where did I claim everyone wants to be in NYC?
I said no such thing. There are 6 billion people in the world, and of course not all of them or even most of them want to be in NYC.
I said the reason why many of the older people and for that matter younger people who leave NYC for the South do so because they cannot afford to live in NYC! Enough people from around the world want to live in NYC that NYC can charge premium prices and be one of the most expensive places in the US. No Southern city has that demand from people wanting to live there and do business there and therefore no Southern city is that expensive (though there are other top cities internationally that expensive and there are a few other very expensive cities).
And if you don't like NYC, more power to you. You can like whatever you want to, and dislike whatever you want to.
But back to whether moving to the South means someone is going to have a fantastic retirement, not necessarily. I gave reasons why some people do indeed have a hard time. Listening to some of you if a person didn't know better they would think that all people had to do is move to the South and they would find utopia.
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