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Old 05-28-2014, 06:27 PM
 
Location: Cary, NC
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I'm personally against fracking but to say this bill has been rushed through the republican legislature is nonsense. The repubs in NC have been working on this for 4 years, there's never been any ambiguity about how badly the repubs want fracking in NC. And NC citizens overwhelmingly voted for repubs (blatant gerrymandering notwithstanding). Elections have consequences folks. Don't like it? Then make better decisions at the ballot box.
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Old 05-28-2014, 08:51 PM
 
Location: Durm
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But on the positive side, according to this map, NC doesn't look like it has much shale gas lands.
Loading FracMapper...
what's there is right smack over the western part of the triangle. GREAT
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Old 05-28-2014, 11:20 PM
 
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My question is, why has this become such a popular thing to do? Do we really need natural gas this desparately that this needs to be done? I keep hearing about it being an issue, not just in NC, but in various places...
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Old 05-29-2014, 04:42 AM
 
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My question is, why has this become such a popular thing to do? Do we really need natural gas this desparately that this needs to be done? I keep hearing about it being an issue, not just in NC, but in various places...
With fracking the oil companies remain relevant and the public is less focused on pushing politicians to pursue clean energy like wind and solar.
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Old 05-29-2014, 04:53 AM
 
Location: Durm
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With fracking the oil companies remain relevant and the public is less focused on pushing politicians to pursue clean energy like wind and solar.
I feel like we're living in the Poseidon Adventure and our politicians are trying to lead us to the bow.
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Old 05-29-2014, 05:42 AM
 
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I feel like we're living in the Poseidon Adventure and our politicians are trying to lead us to the bow.
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Old 05-29-2014, 05:47 AM
 
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I'm personally against fracking but to say this bill has been rushed through the republican legislature is nonsense. The repubs in NC have been working on this for 4 years, there's never been any ambiguity about how badly the repubs want fracking in NC. And NC citizens overwhelmingly voted for repubs (blatant gerrymandering notwithstanding). Elections have consequences folks. Don't like it? Then make better decisions at the ballot box.

"Working on this for 4 years" is not the same as "careful, measured environmental impact and feasibility evaluation". I suspect that the pubs have been too heavily influenced by those with the most to gain (i.e., the energy companies), with inadequate consideration of the potential downsides.

I am not necessarily against fracking. I am against doing it when there's insufficient risk analysis and mitigation, lack of transparency, and too much influence exerted by the energy companies. My gut feeling is that this is a very high risk venture when balanced against the potential return, especially when 1) the companies don't want to tell the public what chemicals they're pumping into the environment, and 2) they want to enact laws that strip landowners of the right to control their land. If the companies were open and up front about the process, the chemicals used, the risks, and the controls in place to prevent catastrophe, then we might find that it makes sense. But that isn't happening, and I think we as citizens have every right to be very concerned.
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Old 05-29-2014, 07:42 AM
 
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The sobering Gasland 2 documentary really opened my eyes to the environmental dangers of hydraulic fracturing (fracking).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzx7UXzK_z4
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Old 05-29-2014, 07:47 AM
 
Location: Durm
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I have to add that it's also shocking beyond words that they have moved (are moving?) to disallow disclosure of fracking chemicals. I don't even know what to say - these people live here too - there is something really psychologically unhinged with them.
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Old 05-29-2014, 08:11 AM
 
Location: Mid-Atlantic east coast
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Only after the last tree has been cut down,
Only after the last river has been poisoned,
Only after the last fish has been caught,
Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten.

--Cree Indisn prophecy

It will be a sad day in North Carolina when this bill is passed. More and more scientific evidence comes daily showing fracking is harmful both to our health and our water supply.

Will we do this harm to oursevles to create a total of 397 new jobs (according to NC Chamber of Commerce) and for only a six year potential supply of natural gas?

What will we do without clean drinking water? What will that cost to fix?

Let's hope we voters have long memories at election time.
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