The new Political/off topic sticky chat thread (Lincoln, Spring Hill: cost, marketplace)

[NYRangers 2008]

Originally Posted by to570717

Ed, you need to stop listening to Rush immediately. He has done to you what you claim to dislike about others. That is: Blindly follow. I do not intend to sound mean but you are clearly not aware of the intrinsic economic issues involved in this or the geopolitical issues involved. You are a good party loyalist though....

I do not listen to Rush. I'm not a sheep who blindly follows, like many of the followers of Chris Doherty.

[NYRangers 2008]

Here's why GM will never be profitable again unless they change their business model. The only thing that makes them money are the big SUV's and trucks. Since we're trying to get away from those gas guzzling vehicles in this country, no one is buying them. As for the smaller, economical cars, the Japanese make them a lot better and more efficient than the American car companies. This is why they are in the state they are in. They're in over their heads with the unions and that's why Obama doesn't want to see them go under. The unions supported him in his election and now he has to return the favor. So, he's just going to pump more taxpayers money into these companies and our taxes are going to go up to foot the bill. All I'm saying is, is this going to be a new trend? Bailing out private companies. I hope it isn't and that it's going to stop now.

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Originally Posted by to570717

Ed, you need to stop listening to Rush immediately.

Sacrilege (http://tr.im/n7qy - broken link)

[NYRangers 2008]

For example, I belong to the Teamsters union. Everyone knows that they blindly support whatever Democratic candidate that is running. I do not. I have a mind of my own, I don't vote a certain way just because my union says to.

[Magritte25]

Originally Posted by NYRangers 2008

Here's why GM will never be profitable again unless they change their business model. The only thing that makes them money are the big SUV's and trucks. Since we're trying to get away from those gas guzzling vehicles in this country, no one is buying them. As for the smaller, economical cars, the Japanese make them a lot better and more efficient than the American car companies. This is why they are in the state they are in. They're in over their heads with the unions and that's why Obama doesn't want to see them go under. The unions supported him in his election and now he has to return the favor. So, he's just going to pump more taxpayers money into these companies and our taxes are going to go up to foot the bill. All I'm saying is, is this going to be a new trend? Bailing out private companies. I hope it isn't and that it's going to stop now.

As much as I normally disagree with you, my husband says the same about GM's business model. I totally agree.

In your opinion what should have been done instead of the bailouts?

[The Commish]

NYR has repeatedly stated that we should have let GM and Chrysler go bankrupt without any promises of government funding to keep the companies afloat after bankruptcy. This would have resulted in a liquidation of the two companies. The argument from the Obama administration is that liquidation would have resulted in disastrous consequences for our economy. NYR refuses to acknowledge or engage Obama's often stated premise here in any way. He instead conjures up conspiracy theories like "Obama wants to turn this nation into a socialist country" or "it's payback for labor unions."

Originally Posted by NYRangers 2008

They're in over their heads with the unions and that's why Obama doesn't want to see them go under. The unions supported him in his election and now he has to return the favor.

I thought it was because Obama is trying to turn the country into a socialist nation?

[Mr Yuk]

Originally Posted by Magritte25

In your opinion what should have been done instead of the bailouts?

I know this question wasn't directed at me, but I also believe that the bailouts need to stop. I say if we are truly a free market, then we need to let the market decide which companies survive and which ones die out. The economy will correct itself.....if GM went under, sure in the short-term people would be out of work, but, people will still need cars, so there will be more demand for other auto manufacturers to step up production, so then you would see Ford, Honda, Toyota, Subaru, Hyundai, etc, all expanding production and building new American plants and hiring more workers. Also, "foreign" companies like Honda, Toyota, Hyundai, etc all have been investing in America by moving production here, building new plants, etc. All the while "American" companies like GM have been closing plants and moving jobs that were once filled by Americans to places like Mexico and China. I have no respect for GM, and wouldn't buy any of their garbage before, and I definitely wouldn't touch a GM vehicle with a 10 foot pole now. I'm happy with my American-made Honda.....plus, it will be running strong long after a GM car would be in the junkyard.

Back to my original point, its time to be the free market we're supposed to be...."survival of the fittest."

[NYRangers 2008]

Originally Posted by go phillies

I know this question wasn't directed at me, but I also believe that the bailouts need to stop. I say if we are truly a free market, then we need to let the market decide which companies survive and which ones die out. The economy will correct itself.....if GM went under, sure in the short-term people would be out of work, but, people will still need cars, so there will be more demand for other auto manufacturers to step up production, so then you would see Ford, Honda, Toyota, Subaru, Hyundai, etc, all expanding production and building new American plants and hiring more workers. Also, "foreign" companies like Honda, Toyota, Hyundai, etc all have been investing in America by moving production here, building new plants, etc. All the while "American" companies like GM have been closing plants and moving jobs that were once filled by Americans to places like Mexico and China. I have no respect for GM, and wouldn't buy any of their garbage before, and I definitely wouldn't touch a GM vehicle with a 10 foot pole now. I'm happy with my American-made Honda.....plus, it will be running strong long after a GM car would be in the junkyard.

Back to my original point, its time to be the free market we're supposed to be...."survival of the fittest."

That's what I've been saying all along. At least you know what's going on and you're grounded in reality. I just don't know how anyone could be happy with the government giving our money to private companies who didn't know how to run them. That is just foolish. I still don't believe that if GM or Chrysler went under it would be disastrous for the economy. That is a conspiracy theory in my opinion. I still believe Obama is a socialist and needs to payback the unions in some way because they supported him.

[CHS89]

........nevermind.

Sometimes it's better to just watch......

[NYRangers 2008]

Originally Posted by CHS89

........nevermind.

Sometimes it's better to just watch......

In all seriousness, not to start anything, did gophillies say anything that wasn't true? State your opinion, we have been having good conversations without any attacking.