I'm a bit surprised NOVA localities haven't changed Confederate names (Arlington: move, estate)

[brooklynborndad]

Originally Posted by VATechMURP

I very much agree with this. NOVA should try to hold on to its history and sense of place as it's going to be a losing battle anyway.

To be a bit morbid, over the next 30 years there is going to be a mass die-off of the Baby Boom generation to be replaced by a majority non-white, and immigrant and immigrant offspring population. Issues such as language and religious tolerance are going to be of far greater relevance than a conflict that many have no connection to.

My ancestors all came to this country after 1880. This is my country, this is my history, whenever they came.

[VATechMURP]

Originally Posted by IndiaLimaDelta

Well, we'll see. Demographic trends are notoriously difficult to predict long-term.

Historically, immigrants have had a funny habit of behaving like... Americans after a generation or two.

This year, the Census Bureau said that for those three years old and younger, there is now a white minority. It's just a matter of the "slug" of whites to pass for the overall average to reflect this. The shift has been caused by immigration, particularly Hispanic along with their high fertility rate, according to the same study. For Northern Virginia, the shift has begun much sooner.

I certainly did not mean my earlier comments to be meant as a put-down. Most Northern migrants to Virginia have not acquired a pride for Southern heroes as the thread topic implies. I doubt that they would care to. Already Cinco de Mayo is a greater holiday than any of the Civil War events.

[brooklynborndad]

Originally Posted by VATechMURP

This year, the Census Bureau said that for those three years old and younger, there is now a white minority. It's just a matter of the "slug" of whites to pass for the overall average to reflect this. The shift has been caused by immigration, particularly Hispanic along with their high fertility rate, according to the same study. For Northern Virginia, the shift has begun much sooner.

I certainly did not mean my earlier comments to be meant as a put-down. Most Northern migrants to Virginia have not acquired a pride for Southern heroes as the thread topic implies. I doubt that they would care to. Already Cinco de Mayo is a greater holiday than any of the Civil War events.

Cause there isn't a drink associated with the Civil War.

[slowlane3]

Originally Posted by brooklynborndad

And as I have said repeatedly, I have no problem with high schools named after confederate generals, particularly ones who were actually born in Virginia, and a fortiori ones like Lee who were born in Northern Virginia and whose lives were interwoven with this region.

Generals who were born in virginia - which name does not fit this category?

1. Robert E Lee. 2. Stonewall Jackson 3. JEB Stuart 4. Jeff Davis

Answer: JEFF DAVIS was not from Virginia (actually he was never a Civil War General, but had been a Brigadier General in the Mexican War, and was later U.S. Secretary of War).

UNION Generals George Thomas and Winfield Scott were both from Southern Virginia, but that State does not name things after them. Actually it was only a few years ago, that Virginia grudgingly erected a historic marker by Scott's original home in Dinwiddie, Virginia.

[VATechMURP]

Originally Posted by slowlane3

Answer: JEFF DAVIS was not from Virginia (actually he was never a Civil War General, but had been a Brigadier General in the Mexican War, and was later U.S. Secretary of War).

"You're not from around here are you?" to use a Southern phrase. You make my point about migration of peoples.

To be fair, Jefferson Davis was the President of the Confederate States of America based in Richmond. There is probably a historical reason for the naming of the road.

[VATechMURP]

Originally Posted by slowlane3

UNION Generals George Thomas and Winfield Scott were both from Southern Virginia, but that State does not name things after them. Actually it was only a few years ago, that Virginia grudgingly erected a historic marker by Scott's original home in Dinwiddie, Virginia.

Be honest. Are you a big fan of the hero of the Mexican-American War who was in charge of the Cherokee Removal (Trail of Tears)? He actually did nothing against the South beyond offering Robert E. Lee the chance to run the war.

Winfield Scott - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[brooklynborndad]

Originally Posted by VATechMURP

Be honest. Are you a big fan of the hero of the Mexican-American War who was in charge of the Cherokee Removal (Trail of Tears)? He actually did nothing against the South beyond offering Robert E. Lee the chance to run the war.

Winfield Scott - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

as a fan of the importance of logistics and geography in military grand strategy, who believes it was the "anaconda" plan that actually won the war, I would suggest that Winfield Scott was VERY important, and that those of us who are pleased that the USA ended up united, owe him a considerable debt of gratitude.

Think about that the next time you drive through Scott Circle

[IndiaLimaDelta]

I have mixed views about the Civil War. While I am glad that the North won, for slavery was an evil and loathsome institution, I am not exactly fond of some of the methods employed by the North. And I do think Lincoln came the closest to being a dictator among this country's presidents.

I am also not too keen on some Southerners fixating on certain historical losers who fought for an ignoble cause, but at the same time I do recognize the courage, sacrifice and nobility of many of the Southern soldiers and officers, so I don't want the historical names to be changed wholesale by fiat by Northern self-annointed elites. As before, I say let the local stakeholders decide.

[VATechMURP]

Originally Posted by brooklynborndad

as a fan of the importance of logistics and geography in military grand strategy, who believes it was the "anaconda" plan that actually won the war, I would suggest that Winfield Scott was VERY important, and that those of us who are pleased that the USA ended up united, owe him a considerable debt of gratitude.

Yeah, you read the Wiki that I linked to .

[VATechMURP]

Originally Posted by IndiaLimaDelta

I have mixed views about the Civil War. While I am glad that the North won, for slavery was an evil and loathsome institution, I am not exactly fond of some of the methods employed by the North. And I do think Lincoln came the closest to being a dictator among this country's presidents.

I am also not too keen on some Southerners fixating on certain historical losers who fought for an ignoble cause, but at the same time I do recognize the courage, sacrifice and nobility of many of the Southern soldiers and officers, so I don't want the historical names to be changed wholesale by fiat by Northern self-annointed elites. As before, I say let the local stakeholders decide.

I don't think most Northerners are this way, but can you imagine a bunch of Southerners moving to Brooklyn, telling the locals that their heroes were a bunch of deadbeats, and then setting out to remove their names?