Cincinnati, Columbus, Cleveland (Akron, Dayton, Canton: college, vs., airport)

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by Beavercreek33

Wow, with this last post, you have lost all credibility. Columbus is not the largest and most important metro in Ohio. Talk about being on a constant high horse. If you want to be like that, Cincinnati and Cleveland blow Columbus out of the water in almost every category outside of population growth. The economic output in Columbus is still several billion dollars lower than Cincy and Cleveland.

Damn, you try to be nice towards Columbus, and you have posters like this... For crying out loud, your sentence structure is terrible too.

Keep bashing Cleveland and Cincinnati, you are just going to get it back from the other posters. I go out of my way to make a nice post towards all three cities, and we still have people that constantly bi***.

I wish all of the hyperbole would die. "Most important" is subjective. If you go by GDP, Cleveland is ahead. However, Columbus' output has grown faster and was the only one of the 3-C's to continue to improve for 2009, the last year the numbers are available. The difference between Columbus and Cleveland in GDP is about 12 billion. When talking about 100+ billion economies, in the long run that is not exactly insurmountable. It will depend how fast Columbus grows and whether or not Cleveland actually does make a serious turnaround.

The rest of your post is laughable considering you also engage in same games.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by unusualfire

You are crazy. The CSA of Cincinnati covers 4200 square miles. The columbus CSA covers nearly 7000 square miles. As a matter of fact, the soon to be Cincinnati Dayton MSA will have the same square miles as the Columbus CSA with a million more people.

Cleveland-Akron-Canton. MSA: 3,184,862 CSA: 3,286,359

Cincinnati-Dayton-Springfield. MSA: 3,109,986 CSA: 3,245,082



http://www.census.gov/geo/www/ua/fedregv75n163.pdf

Where are you getting those numbers? The link provided does not even talk about MSA/CSA and the numbers listed for both cities are nowhere near that.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by 1watertiger

cleveland/cuyahoga counties developed/urban lakefront easily stretches 40miles east and west. and 10 miles north and south. thats 400 sq miles and that is leaving out many suburbs in lorain,medina,summit and lake counties.. i stand by the fact that 2-200sq mile columbus/franklin counties developed/urban areas, would easily fit inside metro cleveland.. why is that so hard for you to grasp? think about this chet, drive the 25 miles east from downtown columbus to buckeye lake on I70. after about 8 miles its farms/woods the entire way... agreed? now drive 25miles east from downtown cleveland on I90 and your in the suburb of mentor in lake county. try it in any direction and you will understand what im saying.

What's really funny about all this is that some earlier in this thread were bashing Columbus for sprawl, but when talking about MSA's/CSAs, especially when talking about adding Akron or Dayton in the mix, there must be a recognition of the massive sprawl that exists to connect them to Cleveland/Cincinnati. And here you are, talking about how compact the Columbus MSA is in comparison. So which is it? Is sprawl only good in certain cities?

[unusualfire]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

Where are you getting those numbers? The link provided does not even talk about MSA/CSA and the numbers listed for both cities are nowhere near that.

With it being one urbanized area. That would reclassify the msa's.

[czb2004]

Originally Posted by BelieveInCleve

Just as I suspected, that "top 10 for Asian and Hispanic growth" is misleading seeing as it's entirely based off percentage. And I notice that article is from a year ago, those numbers are just estimates, it's not from the 2010 census thus it's not official. I don't doubt Columbus had at least that much % Asian and Hispanic growth, but you could try providing a link to the real numbers, and it's not hard for Columbus to be at that spot seeing it started out as having one of the lowest Hispanic % of any major city in the country in 2000, Asian as well (although it's higher than Cincinnatis and Clevelands).

What you suspected was that the poster was making up numbers! They weren't, so don't try to make it sound like you were right all along. I wasn't the one who made the post anyway, I was just proving that the poster you criticized was not fabricating numbers as you claimed.

[czb2004]

Originally Posted by Beavercreek33

Yes, but once again, signs DO NOT point to Columbus having long term prosperity over the other two. Cincinnati and Cleveland are just as diverse, and have just as powerful if not more powerful economic contributers behind them as Columbus.

Prove it then. Where is your data to back this up? In addition to what I previously posted here are a few more things that I have seen which lead me to believe that Columbus will prosper and grow the most in the future:

1. Columbus is #1 Up-&-Coming Tech City | ColumbusUnderground.com
2. The Fastest-Growing Cities In The U.S. - Forbes.com
3. http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet...ST-9S&-_sse=on Here are year by year population estimates and as you can see Columbus is growing consistently, Cleveland shrinking consistently, and Cincinnati staying somewhat steady (though of course it did shrink as of the 2010 census). It is not growing off of a bubble like the dot com bubble or the auto industry so it will not just all of a sudden collapse and start shrinking. And the same trends hold true for the counties so you cannot just claim that the growth is due to Columbus' size.

I mean come on. You know that the guy who thinks Dayton will overtake all of Ohio's other cities isn't realistic, but you can't see yourself how obvious it is that Columbus will prosper and grow the most in the near future. We've already seen that even though they are nice for the community building things like the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame doesn't lead to economic prosperity. Leaders said the same thing in Toledo, "if we just build this brand new fancy arena people will think our city is exciting and want to work here." But it does not work.

So basically what I'm trying to say is that there may be some great projects going on in Cleveland and Cincinnati (the casino, aquarium, the Banks), but they don't really lead to prosperity for the region. Cincinnati and Cleveland beat Columbus in many areas; the symphony, playhouse square, professional sports teams, historical neighborhoods, art museum, big city feel...but can't you admit that economy is the one area where Columbus shines above the rest?

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by unusualfire

With it being one urbanized area. That would reclassify the msa's.

But the UA numbers in the link don't match the numbers you posted.

[unusualfire]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

But the UA numbers in the link don't match the numbers you posted.

The number i had are from the MSA's that are merged because of them being one urbanized area.

[chet_kinkaid]

there is no cin day msa...there wont be.to add even just montgomery county,which is losing population,by msa definitions the majority of montgomery county workers would be commuting to the cincinnati msa and by the formula they would have to commute to hamilton county.now,i would not be surprised to see clark county eventually added to the columbus csa, based on commute patterns..iwouldnt be surprised if the number of ppl in springfield commuting to columbus is greater than to dayton in the near future.several posters here are completely oblivious to reality and you cant argue with those ppl so i wont.cleveland and cincinnati arent growing so do you think you can just add other counties who are losing population and make it look good?being in advertising,i know that adding dayton a city 54 miles away does nothing to add to cincinnatis importance to business and advertisers,the farther one travels from the core of metro area the less impact any advertising has..

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by unusualfire

The number i had are from the MSA's that are merged because of them being one urbanized area.

The numbers on there are estimates, but they list Cincinnati with Dayton/Springfield, and the number is still about 700,000 less than what you posted. The Cincinnati metro gained about 117,000 people since 2000, but the Dayton metro lost people according to the 2010 census, so even adding up all those metros you still are nowhere close to 3+ million. Neither is Cleveland with Akron/Canton.