View Poll Results: Do you support building of passenger rail in Ohio?
YES! Not only would I support this, but i would ride it!
95 71.97%
Yes. But I would never ride it.
3 2.27%
It doesn't affect me or any one I know.
12 9.09%
No. Blah. Terrible idea!
22 16.67%
12-11-2010, 04:43 PM
Location: Columbus
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Here is your link to jobs, maybe you should read all my posts instead of what you want. These are rail jobs, and can you imagine the spin-off jobs. I am not dodging your questions, so don't dodge mine.
I read that link. It's nothing more than opinion. Sure we are going to lose some rail jobs. But so what? If nobody is going to ride it then why should we pay people to build it in the first place?
Creating a job of no value does nothing for the economy. It just shuffles money around.
And you still didn't answer my question. How is the 3C rail going to encourage companies to locate in Ohio? Maybe I should have said non-rail companies?
I didn't vote for Kasich. Have no idea what his plan is to get jobs here.
12-11-2010, 04:45 PM
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Yes, he didn't kill. Then who did? Were you in a coma for the last couple of months? Just in case, let me inform you. Kasich was elected Governor of Ohio, pretty much called this project "dead." Ohio lost its money, it went to other much more progressive states. Kasich most certainly did kill it. Come on, if you want to make your points, don't come up with something like that.... wait for it.... LOL.
He killed the 3C. He didn't kill the plan for a rail from NYC to Chicago, which has to go through Ohio.
12-11-2010, 04:46 PM
Location: Blue Ash, Ohio (Cincinnati)
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I read that link. It's nothing more than opinion. Sure we are going to lose some rail jobs. But so what? If nobody is going to ride it then why should we pay people to build it in the first place?
I did answer your question, go back and READ. You asked for jobs, I gave you a link. It is nothing more than an opinion? That is all you have been giving.
It will not only create rail jobs, but there will be many more spinoffs from it? Where have you lived in your life? I am from Philly, I lived around rail first hand. I have seen its benefits. I travel for my job. I am in Boise, Idaho right now. I head to Portland tommorow. Yet again, another city that has benefited immensely from rail.
So the whole time you didn't have an answer?! Come on, you could have at least tried.
12-11-2010, 04:48 PM
Location: Blue Ash, Ohio (Cincinnati)
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He killed the 3C. He didn't kill the plan for a rail from NYC to Chicago, which has to go through Ohio.
And wasn't the whole Kasich talk about the 3C? Because last I checked it was.
Do you have the UrbanOhio link to the northern Ohio rail? I am really interested now.
12-11-2010, 05:02 PM
Location: Blue Ash, Ohio (Cincinnati)
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Ok, well if you have that link, I would appreciate it. I will continue this discussion tommorow, but I am getting ready to go out to dinner, and get packed for Portland.
12-11-2010, 05:07 PM
Location: Columbus
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I did answer your question, go back and READ. You asked for jobs, I gave you a link. It is nothing more than an opinion? That is all you have been giving.
It will not only create rail jobs, but there will be many more spinoffs from it? Where have you lived in your life? I am from Philly, I lived around rail first hand. I have seen its benefits. I travel for my job. I am in Boise, Idaho right now. I head to Portland tommorow. Yet again, another city that has benefited immensely from rail.
So the whole time you didn't have an answer?! Come on, you could have at least tried.
All you are giving is opinion also. I've been around rail. Sure there might be a few spin off jobs. There is always vendors around those places selling trinkets. And you gotta someone to collect tickets.
All that link in the Dispatch says is it will create rail jobs. What Ohio company is capable of building trains? And would they even get the contract? And building something just to build it doesn't improve the economy. FDR tried it in the 30s. You have to build something of value. Not enough people in Ohio are going to use a passenger train to justify the expense.
I've lived all around Ohio. People here will not ride a rail system in significant numbers. And not having a passenger rail system will not force people out.
It's not like some manufacturing company in Cleveland is going to pack up and leave move to Portland because they can't get to Columbus on the weekend via train.
I had an answer. I said I have no idea how Kasich is going to create jobs. I doubt he can. Politicians don't create jobs. But he can't be any worse than Strickland was.
12-11-2010, 05:08 PM
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Do you have any info for the rail from NYC to Chicago? Just curious because Amtrak runs from NYC to Chicago, which is why I am skeptical of the 3C rail project. You can take a train from Cleveland to most major cities (New York, DC, Boston, Chicago, Philly, West Coast) already and have been able to for years. And for the earlier post about North Carolina, New Mexico and Oregon having trains and Ohio not having trains, what they have is Amtrak. Ohio has Amtrak running through the Northern part of the state AND the southern part of the state, passing through Cincinnati, so we really aren't behind NC and NM imo.
12-11-2010, 05:11 PM
Location: Columbus
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And wasn't the whole Kasich talk about the 3C? Because last I checked it was.
It's on the 3C discussion thread. The thing is about 130 pages now. Guy had a link on there for a plan by the feds to build a passenger rail form NYC to Chicago, with stops in Cleveland, Toledo and Ft Wayne.
Kasich can't kill it and that, is successful, it will eventually connect to Columbus, Akron, Canton. Youngstown, Dayton and Cincinnati.
12-11-2010, 05:44 PM
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It's on the 3C discussion thread. The thing is about 130 pages now. Guy had a link on there for a plan by the feds to build a passenger rail form NYC to Chicago, with stops in Cleveland, Toledo
We already have this. We have had passenger rail in these two cities for years! It isn't successful and that is why we have never connected the other cities you mentioned.
12-11-2010, 08:26 PM
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Good article you posted Beavercreek33, it actually persuaded me to the other side of this issue. Putting the $17 million in perspective as 12 cents a month per person makes it seem pretty rediculous not to except the money. Also was not aware that much of the money would go towards improving freight. I'm not sure what the drive is like between Columbus and Cleveland, but if is anywhere near as dull as the drive from Columbus to Toledo it would be pretty nice to be able to sit on my laptop or read a book for 2 1/2 hours rather than gulp down coffee to keep myself awake.
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People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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