[eddie gein]

Originally Posted by norman_w

Nobody had heard of Tulsa until the Hansen boys did Ummbop

That commotion you just heard was JJ Cale and Leon Russell turning over in their graves...

With Elvin Bishop and David Gates nearby collapsing with heart attacks...

And Joe Diffie, Dwight Twilley providing CPR...

And the GAP Band driving the ambulance.

On their way to the Bob Wills hospital.

[SluggoF16]

Originally Posted by eddie gein

That commotion you just heard was JJ Cale and Leon Russell turning over in their graves...

With Elvin Bishop and David Gates nearby collapsing with heart attacks...

And Joe Diffie, Dwight Twilley providing CPR...

And the GAP Band driving the ambulance.

On their way to the Bob Wills hospital.

...being towed by The Tractors...

[brickpatio2018]

Memphis newscasts and others routinely refer to Memphis as the "Mid-South". I think probably Memphis is a little too far north to be in the Deep South, so the logical description therefore is mid-south.

Also Memphis is at the corner of three states, so it presumably needed to adopt a descriptor for the Memphis region across west TN, eastern AR, and north MS.

Nashville newscasts used to refer to it as the Mid-South but apparently a couple of decades ago someone decided to change it to "Mid-State." Maybe Nashville leaders thought the southern reference would conjure negative images and hurt growth etc. Whatever they did seems to have worked.

As for Oklahoma, a big part of it doesn't look southern due to the lack of trees. However everything east of OKC is actually pretty green. The other thing is that Oklahoma is a big Baptist state similar to other southern states, which sets it apart from neighbors such as Kansas and Nebraska.

I was in Omaha last year and noticed that all the churches in that area are either Catholic or Lutheran. Not a Baptist church in site. Fascinating how history played out in that way. I assume that Kansas and Nebraska got a lot more immigrants from places like Germany who brought the Catholic and Lutheran churches with them. That's a huge cultural distinction from evangelical places such as Tulsa.

[eddie gein]

Originally Posted by brickpatio2018

Memphis newscasts and others routinely refer to Memphis as the "Mid-South". I think probably Memphis is a little too far north to be in the Deep South, so the logical description therefore is mid-south.

Also Memphis is at the corner of three states, so it presumably needed to adopt a descriptor for the Memphis region across west TN, eastern AR, and north MS.

Nashville newscasts used to refer to it as the Mid-South but apparently a couple of decades ago someone decided to change it to "Mid-State." Maybe Nashville leaders thought the southern reference would conjure negative images and hurt growth etc. Whatever they did seems to have worked.

As for Oklahoma, a big part of it doesn't look southern due to the lack of trees. However everything east of OKC is actually pretty green. The other thing is that Oklahoma is a big Baptist state similar to other southern states, which sets it apart from neighbors such as Kansas and Nebraska.

I was in Omaha last year and noticed that all the churches in that area are either Catholic or Lutheran. Not a Baptist church in site. Fascinating how history played out in that way. I assume that Kansas and Nebraska got a lot more immigrants from places like Germany who brought the Catholic and Lutheran churches with them. That's a huge cultural distinction from evangelical places such as Tulsa.

Although the Baptist church thing cannot be disputed.... an interesting thing about Oklahoma is that you can draw a line diagonally across the state roughly following I-44. Above that line the ethnicity of the anglo population still tends to be historically German. Below that line... Irish.

It reflects the settlement patterns in Oklahoma. South and Southeast? Southerners. North and Northwest? Wheat farmers from further points in the northern plains states.

Don't think we have many French people here so I'd say that "Paris" thing about Tulsa is pretty suspect.

[bawac34618]

Originally Posted by eddie gein

Although the Baptist church thing cannot be disputed.... an interesting thing about Oklahoma is that you can draw a line diagonally across the state roughly following I-44. Above that line the ethnicity of the anglo population still tends to be historically German. Below that line... Irish.

It reflects the settlement patterns in Oklahoma. South and Southeast? Southerners. North and Northwest? Wheat farmers from further points in the northern plains states.

Don't think we have many French people here so I'd say that "Paris" thing about Tulsa is pretty suspect.

It's interesting how the Southern Baptist dominance doesn't bleed across state lines at all. Going into New Mexico, Colorado, or Kansas, it's immediately Methodist or Catholic.

[oil capital]

In other "Paris of the Southwest" news, Tulsa Opera announced yesterday that their Director resigned and they have canceled all of their main stage productions (both of them) for the '23-'24 season. Their future is sounding pretty bleak, unless Kaiser rides to the rescue.

[Howest2008]

Originally Posted by oil capital

In other "Paris of the Southwest" news, Tulsa Opera announced yesterday that their Director resigned and they have canceled all of their main stage productions (both of them) for the '23-'24 season. Their future is sounding pretty bleak, unless Kaiser rides to the rescue.

Mr. Kaiser aways does...

[Space_League]

Originally Posted by Bass&Catfish2008

Yes Sir. Folks like myself who have lived out of Oklahoma (both coasts including New England) and rubbin' elbows with folks regularly from the Midwest I've met none who consider Oklahoma or Tulsa the Midwest.


Each to his own I guess. We don't all have to be right. :-)

If you have to put everything into a box..

Among the choices: South, Midwest, Great Plains
I pick Plains for Oklahoma easily.
Between South and Midwest
I would pick South for Oklahoma
Midwest isn't totally wrong either. The weather is more Midwest than South. Yes, it's ridiculously hot in Oklahoma currently, but it's also quite hot in St Louis and just going by overall year in and year out weather in Tulsa sems more like Missouri or Kansas than Mississippi and Louisiana

[eddie gein]

Originally Posted by Space_League

If you have to put everything into a box..

Among the choices: South, Midwest, Great Plains
I pick Plains for Oklahoma easily.
Between South and Midwest
I would pick South for Oklahoma
Midwest isn't totally wrong either. The weather is more Midwest than South. Yes, it's ridiculously hot in Oklahoma currently, but it's also quite hot in St Louis and just going by overall year in and year out weather in Tulsa sems more like Missouri or Kansas than Mississippi and Louisiana

If you want to illustrate the part of Oklahoma that is midwest (in a Kansas sort of way) all one needs to do is look at a map of the 1964 Presidential Election. Obviously the whole map would be red today but back then the south was Democrat and all the Kansas wheat farmers in the northwest part of the state were Republicans. Tulsa went Republican as did the oil company communities in Ponca City and Bartlesville. Some people consider Tulsa to have a midwest element that has existed from it's founding by the oil tycoons who were trying to develop a non oil field town across the river from the Glen pool.

Interestingly not a lot of the map is dark blue or dark red.

[lluvia]

Originally Posted by eddie gein

If you want to illustrate the part of Oklahoma that is midwest (in a Kansas sort of way) all one needs to do is look at a map of the 1964 Presidential Election. Obviously the whole map would be red today but back then the south was Democrat and all the Kansas wheat farmers in the northwest part of the state were Republicans. Tulsa went Republican as did the oil company communities in Ponca City and Bartlesville. Some people consider Tulsa to have a midwest element that has existed from it's founding by the oil tycoons who were trying to develop a non oil field town across the river from the Glen pool.

Interestingly not a lot of the map is dark blue or dark red.

More of a Dixiecrat map no?