[Calvinist]

Originally Posted by Raphael07

And why do you believe number 2? What makes one sin (assuming its a sin) so much greater than all of the others? If I recall correctly, haven't you gone to casinos in your life? Well, off to hell with you then. Have you looked at a woman with lust? Off to hell. Have you ever sworn? Well I'm sure there is a nice condo with a view of the lake of fire.

Christianity without saving power is Jesus is not Christianity. If you believe being gay alone condemns a person to Hell, you are not Christian.

You are correct. We can only speculate on a person's eternal destination based on how they live. If you're a willful, practicing adulterer I would have as much reason to believe you're not a Christian as if you're a willful, practicing homosexual.

Or any other lifestyle of immorality or sin.

[Calvinist]

Originally Posted by harshbarj

Actually Bosco is not a bigot in this case as he has already stated (as have others) that you are free to feel as you wish, you just have no legal ground to stand on.

Then why again is he attacking me?

The fact remains that no mater the outcome of this, it will not affect those of us that are not gay, hence why should we really care if they do marry? I for one say if it makes their lives better and makes them happier, then why not? Just as I am not black and yet I support equal rights for all people regardless of race why should that same idea not also apply here?

It is not equivalent to the people that are born with a particular skin color or ethnicity. The tiny percentage of people that choose to be intimate with people of the same gender do not get to dictate to the rest of us what marriage is. That's simply not reasonable.

[harshbarj]

Originally Posted by Calvinist

Then why again is he attacking me?

Likely because you keep holding on to ideas without any supporting reasons(outside of religious ones). And I would not call it an attack, but rather pointing out that legally you don't have a foot to stand on.

Originally Posted by Calvinist

It is not equivalent to the people that are born with a particular skin color or ethnicity. The tiny percentage of people that choose to be intimate with people of the same gender do not get to dictate to the rest of us what marriage is. That's simply not reasonable.

But that's just it, gay people ARE born that way, it's not a choice. You can't ask them to stop being gay anymore than you can ask the rest of us to start.
Also who says they are dictating to anyone? You just seem to want to put your noes into other people lives with no legal reason to do so. I could see your point if somehow gay marriage directly affected those of us that want traditional marriages, but the fact is it would have no impact. We would still love our spouses just the same and leagally we would still enjoy the same benefits.

[Calvinist]

Originally Posted by harshbarj

Likely because you keep holding on to ideas without any supporting reasons(outside of religious ones). And I would not call it an attack, but rather pointing out that legally you don't have a foot to stand on.

Other than the aforementioned belief that it's silly to legislate a new form of marriage to suit a very small minority of people?

But that's just it, gay people ARE born that way, it's not a choice.

Prove it.

You can't ask them to stop being gay anymore than you can ask the rest of us to start.

But you can stop doing that which makes one gay. In any event...I honestly don't care what 2 gay men do in their home. Just don't expect me to endorse their relationship and call it a "marriage".

Also who says they are dictating to anyone? You just seem to want to put your noes into other people lives with no legal reason to do so. I could see your point if somehow gay marriage directly affected those of us that want traditional marriages, but the fact is it would have no impact. We would still love our spouses just the same and leagally we would still enjoy the same benefits.

I'm not the one whining about wanting to change marriage because of a very small minority of people that don't like it the way it is.

[DentalFloss]

Originally Posted by Calvinist

Just don't expect me to endorse their relationship and call it a "marriage".

Society providing just equality to all it's members doesn't require, nor amount to your endorsement. I've said before and I'll say again, SSM is a done deal, it will happen in all 50 states, it's not a question of if, merely when. I hope you live long enough to see it, because your reaction will amuse me. You will also see that the things you fear will not happen.

I'm not the one whining about wanting to change marriage because of a very small minority of people that don't like it the way it is.

Actually, while only a small minority are actually gay, roughly half the population, gay and straight, are in favor of the idea, and that number is rising rapidly. Those opposed are primarily older, and as they die off, most of them will be replaced by a young voter who holds views opposite of their own. It's inevitable.

[Calvinist]

Originally Posted by DentalFloss

Society providing just equality to all it's members doesn't require, nor amount to your endorsement. I've said before and I'll say again, SSM is a done deal, it will happen in all 50 states, it's not a question of if, merely when. I hope you live long enough to see it, because your reaction will amuse me. You will also see that the things you fear will not happen.


Actually, while only a small minority are actually gay, roughly half the population, gay and straight, are in favor of the idea, and that number is rising rapidly. Those opposed are primarily older, and as they die off, most of them will be replaced by a young voter who holds views opposite of their own. It's inevitable.

That may well be true, and is a good example of the slippery slope argument proving true. In time society rarely grows more conservative. I'm fully aware of that.

In time, I firmly believe that polygamy and pedophilia will also be accepted alternative lifestyles, as well.

[DentalFloss]

Originally Posted by Calvinist

In time, I firmly believe that polygamy and pedophilia will also be accepted alternative lifestyles, as well.

That may well be true about polygamy, though I prefer the word polyamory, for true polygamy is one man multiple wives, and what I expect we'll eventually see will be whatever combination floats peoples boats.

As for pedophilia, that you continue to imply that it's virtually "the same thing" as homosexuality says a lot about the quality of your character, and none of it is good.

[harshbarj]

Originally Posted by Calvinist

Other than the aforementioned belief that it's silly to legislate a new form of marriage to suit a very small minority of people?

Who says it's a new form? I would use the term updated.

Originally Posted by Calvinist

Prove it.

Only proof I need is the few gay people I have talked to have told me they just knew they were different from a very early age. Much as I knew from an early age I was not gay and wanted to have a wife. Not to mention scientific studies that all point to the existence of a "gay gene".

Originally Posted by Calvinist

But you can stop doing that which makes one gay. In any event...I honestly don't care what 2 gay men do in their home. Just don't expect me to endorse their relationship and call it a "marriage".

One can stop the activity but the feelings will still be there and that's what counts. I could start acting gay, but deep down I would know it was not right for me and would not accept it despite my actions.

Also who is asking you to endorse anything? All that's required of you or of anyone that's not gay is just to live and let live. When the day comes that I find that someone special I know I would not and do no need your or anyone else's endorsement on getting married! You seem to forget that the term marriage is no longer just a religious term, but a legal one and that is the one that's being updated.

Originally Posted by Calvinist

I'm not the one whining about wanting to change marriage because of a very small minority of people that don't like it the way it is.

No, you're the one that being rigid and unwilling to compromise on something that really is a non issue to you. In the end if your neighbor decided to marry another man (or woman depending on the case) why should it even matter to you and why should anyone have a say as to whether they should be married. I sure know I don't care what my neighbors do. As long as they get along and live peacefully.

[Omahahonors]

Originally Posted by Calvinist

You are correct. We can only speculate on a person's eternal destination based on how they live. If you're a willful, practicing adulterer I would have as much reason to believe you're not a Christian as if you're a willful, practicing homosexual.

Or any other lifestyle of immorality or sin.

OMG. How can you be any more offensive? Do you really just liberally verbalize these pre-made assumptions as if they are fact? Good god you need to step back and not be so damn judgemental.

[Omahahonors]

[quote=Calvinist;20863017]That may well be true, and is a good example of the slippery slope argument proving true. In time society rarely grows more conservative. I'm fully aware of that.

Conservative isn't bad if it is truelly conservative. A true conservative wouldn't have laws that restrict mankind from their inalienable rights like you think they should. Your belief system, Calvinist, is actually very socialistic in appearance. You cannot control society to fit the mold of one groups belief as that is as unnatural as it gets. Thankfully there are many other groups that know their rights (like 100+ Omaha ministers) and they are growing.