Conservative Oregon cities? (Portland, Eugene, Beaverton: lawyers, unemployed, buyer)

[metaljaybird]

The Dakotas also happen to have the lowest unemployment rate, and smallest deficit (if at all). They also avoided the housing boom unlike the rest of the nation.

I would love to visit Oregon, and to be honest, I'm used to liberals and their irrationality when it comes to economics, but when folks start stereotyping an entire group of people as dumb it sort of bothers me. You are entitled to that opinion, but realize that it is entirely not true.

Without the conservative business owners, this nation would be a third world.

[Fiddlehead]

[quote=metaljaybird;19207548]The Dakotas also happen to have the lowest unemployment rate, and smallest deficit (if at all). They also avoided the housing boom unlike the rest of the nation.

I would love to visit Oregon, and to be honest, I'm used to liberals and their irrationality when it comes to economics, but when folks start stereotyping an entire group of people as dumb it sort of bothers me. You are entitled to that opinion, but realize that it is entirely not true.

Without the conservative business owners, this nation would be a third world.[/quote]

And without Rush Limbaugh speaking the TRUTH, this country would turn into North Korea!!!:m ad::smack ::rol leyes::rol leyes:

Gotta love political dialog these days...

[Dual Citizen CA-OR]

Originally Posted by Mr.SmithW

Sure take all the money from those who give the poor their jobs and then the poor won't have anyone to leach from...

...Unfair!! Karl Marx would be proud of me for saying this ..LOLOLOL...

Requiring the wealthy to pay their fair share of taxes is not taking away all their money.

Those that ‘give the poor their jobs’ have had their taxes reduced consistently over the last few decades, but after every new tax reduction, instead of creating jobs, they just keep squirreling their money away.

It’s funny that you would bring up Marx, as conservatives are always making the false analogy between communist and democratic policies.

It’s funny because it’s been conservative Republican tax policies that have managed to re-distribute our nation’s wealth from the middle class to the wealthy.

[metaljaybird]

I would argue that overspending and cutting taxes is a decidedly un-conservative tax mandate.

Anyway, being a libertarian, I scoff at most taxes. Freedom is not equality.

[hamellr]

Originally Posted by Larry Caldwell

Just a comment about taxes. Mom and Pop businesses are not taxed on business receipts. All business transactions are 100% tax free. They don't even pay sales tax on their office supplies like they do in other states. Oregon recently increased the minimum corporate tax from $25 a year to $150 a year. Corporations pay income tax on their profits, but not on wages they pay, so mom and pop can just take a paycheck and pay the same rates everyone else pays. Corporations also enjoy a list of Oregon tax credits as long as your arm. Department of Revenue: Business Taxes Home Page 2010 Corporate Credits

Which was apparently going to be the end of business in Oregon and force "thousands" of companies to relocate outside of Oregon.

I made the public offer that I would willingly pay any corporation's minimum taxes out of my own pocket if they could prove that the these taxes would force the company out of state. Never been taken up on it.

[BendBeav]

Originally Posted by metaljaybird

I would argue that overspending and cutting taxes is a decidedly un-conservative tax mandate.

Anyway, being a libertarian, I scoff at most taxes. Freedom is not equality.

Engineered inequality isn't freedom, either.

[BendBeav]

Originally Posted by metaljaybird

The Dakotas also happen to have the lowest unemployment rate, and smallest deficit (if at all). They also avoided the housing boom unlike the rest of the nation.

I would love to visit Oregon, and to be honest, I'm used to liberals and their irrationality when it comes to economics, but when folks start stereotyping an entire group of people as dumb it sort of bothers me. You are entitled to that opinion, but realize that it is entirely not true.

Without the conservative business owners, this nation would be a third world.

Who are you talking to?

No one here hates business owners. My father's a businss owner. I work for a business owner who was a startup when I was hired 6 years ago (with me, we built it into a mid-size business with strong potential).

Tell me which part of the theory of a progressive tax rate you find to be "irrational", please. You don't get to accuse people of being irrational or accuse people of namecalling without backing it up.

[metaljaybird]

Originally Posted by BendBeav

Engineered inequality isn't freedom, either.

Of course. But Equality and freedom are too completely different concepts. The forefathers aimed for freedom or liberty rather than equality.

The progressive tax theory is not the best system. We would be better off at eliminating the FIT, as we survived for oh...150 years or so without one.

Check this article that more mirrors my perspective on taxation. Take it or leave it, but we are all slaves to the tax system:

https://www.mises.org/daily/3389/The...ax-Is-Not-Fair

Smaller government and lower taxes will spark economic liberty.

I'm not saying you are against small or medium sized business owners. Most of them happen to be fiscally conservative, that's all.

[BendBeav]

Originally Posted by metaljaybird

Of course. But Equality and freedom are too completely different concepts. The forefathers aimed for freedom or liberty rather than equality.

The progressive tax theory is not the best system. We would be better off at eliminating the FIT, as we survived for oh...150 years or so without one.

Check this article that more mirrors my perspective on taxation. Take it or leave it, but we are all slaves to the tax system:

https://www.mises.org/daily/3389/The...ax-Is-Not-Fair

Smaller government and lower taxes will spark economic liberty.

I'm not saying you are against small or medium sized business owners. Most of them happen to be fiscally conservative, that's all.

Yeah, we did great for 150 years. For 150 years we had dirt roads, local law enforcement unable to chase bank robbers across state lines, no major highways, and the Pinkerton security force operating as federal law enforcement. We also had life-expectancy somewhere in the neighborhood of 60 years, and we had no understanding of the germ theory.

Federal agencies have done a ****LOAD of good in the past 75 years, including forming the CDC, Clean Air Act, FBI, CIA, NASA, NTSB, etc. Believe it or not, a sound infrastructure helps business, too.

We're losing that infrastructure because we've cut the FIT by about 65% in the past 60 years, and despite the fact that our human population has doubled in 45 years, and thus so has the need for public services. Now we want to increase the FIT again to make up for this demand (back to Bill Clinton levels) and people call that socialist.

Insanity.

And by the way, small-business owners probably are fiscally conservative in their own day-to-day affairs, but if you're claiming they support the GOP by and large, then I hope you realize that they're not supporting fiscal conservatism.

[Mr.SmithW]

I will say Oregon's social programs, as well as the Federal one's are not responsible for bank robbers escaping the police.. I think modern technology, a more modern police force and more intelligent criminals have resulted in less stickups.. Strangely enough, the US Bank in West Beaverton where I lived, which is a nice neighborhood, got robbed during the morning time and the robber never got caught. Even with all our technology, there are many criminals who are enriching themselves many many times more than any lowly bank robber. Despite this, we still have many bank robbers eluding the police. Advances in technology, not social programs is mainly responsible. I'm a software guy and no that forensic and digital technology plays a major part.

As a software developer, I also know how hard it is to generate cutting edge technology with the state eating away all my hard earned money so others who don't contribute much at all to the progression of this state get free money at my expense. I really am overwhelmed with phone calls, why force these people to take two hours a day to help with my technical support??? No, I have to do the grunt work myself, as well as worrying about developing new features to keep our company alive. Thanks to all these successful social programs!

Oregon's cities are doomed.. Take it from a small business owner. I'm telling you, in 10 years, Oregon will lose many of its IT businesses and they will be based in Fisher's Landing and other new developments on the Washington side. FYI, America has higher corporate taxes than Sweden. It is amongst the highest in the world. Add, that to a very high personal income tax rate, add 10% for Oregon's Income Tax and you have one of the most heavily taxed countries in the world. Even, if many think these corporations are getting it too easy, they will flee and go where they can make money.

One reason ORegon has such high unemployment is the taxes , worker's comp amongst other expenses and risks is so high, that outsourcing to other countries/states with lower expenses and risks would be more beneficial.