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Unreal! The kid looks like a little devil. I hope they throw the book at the little sht... He knows what he was doing.
They said the PA law says you can try a kid for murder at the age of 10 and above!!so there ya go. His spineless lawyer is denying he even shot the poor girl!!
2 counts of murder. The innocent baby....8 months pregnant. I cannot imagine. My twins were born around 7 1/2 months....and now they are 4...
What a shame.
The Gun is not the problem. It's not capable of killing anything until it's trigger is pulled. It is likely the gun was given to the boy when he had a happy life and the father had no idea that his son could use it to kill someone. It is also possible that when the kid was given the gun he was old enough to be trusted with it and he possibly showed great care and caution with it. There are a lot of kids younger than 11 that have a weapon of some sort and most were probably not given that weapon until the parents felt they were ready for it.
The big problem is to many kids see shooting, stabbing and/or killing someone because they are sad, mad or jealous as how you deal with issues. Killing someone as reactions to everyday problems have become the norm. It used to be enough to go out behind the school and duke it out with a person you had problems with and that was bad enough. But then that was no longer enough and kids had to start bringing weapons along.
Kids are more mature at younger ages now a days, mainly because they have been exposed to, to much adult type stuff or have been put in a position of growing up too soon. So I think the kid was old enough to understand the right and wrong of killing someone.
Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. That's the misconception that a lot of people have, and because they have this misconception, they allow their children to be exposed to, and have, things that they are NOT MATURE ENOUGH TO HANDLE. Kids today are more knowledgeable and sophisticated, BUT NOT MATURE. An 11 year old is still an 11 year old. Kids up to early 20s act irrationally and impulsively. Always did, always will. However, putting kids into situations they can't handle (parents splitting, taking up with new partnes immediately, having new babies without benefit of marriage, forcing new families on children before they're ready, etc.) is, as we've seen, very dangerous.
All the major stories on the news today (Haleigh, Casey Anthony, Octomom, the 11 year old), all involve dysfunctional and chaotic families. Until parents realize that once you ARE a parent, you have to make choices that are good for your children, not necessarily good for you, there won't be an end to these tragic stories.
The economy is tanking, so maybe it's a good time to go back to the basics in our personal lives as well. The party's over. The merry go round of switching partners and producing children with no forethought as to how they will be raised, etc. must end.
Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. That's the misconception that a lot of people have, and because they have this misconception, they allow their children to be exposed to, and have, things that they are NOT MATURE ENOUGH TO HANDLE. Kids today are more knowledgeable and sophisticated, BUT NOT MATURE. An 11 year old is still an 11 year old. Kids up to early 20s act irrationally and impulsively. Always did, always will. However, putting kids into situations they can't handle (parents splitting, taking up with new partnes immediately, having new babies without benefit of marriage, forcing new families on children before they're ready, etc.) is, as we've seen, very dangerous.
All the major stories on the news today (Haleigh, Casey Anthony, Octomom, the 11 year old), all involve dysfunctional and chaotic families. Until parents realize that once you ARE a parent, you have to make choices that are good for your children, not necessarily good for you, there won't be an end to these tragic stories.
The economy is tanking, so maybe it's a good time to go back to the basics in our personal lives as well. The party's over. The merry go round of switching partners and producing children with no forethought as to how they will be raised, etc. must end.
However, putting kids into situations they can't handle is, as we've seen, very dangerous.
All the major stories on the news today (Haleigh, Casey Anthony, Octomom, the 11 year old), all involve dysfunctional and chaotic families. Until parents realize that once you ARE a parent, you have to make choices that are good for your children, not necessarily good for you, there won't be an end to these tragic stories.
The economy is tanking, so maybe it's a good time to go back to the basics in our personal lives as well. The party's over. The merry go round of switching partners and producing children with no forethought as to how they will be raised, etc. must end.
And it's the parents responsibility to make sure this does not happen.
If it does, b/c it does, then it's the parents responsibility to get knee deep in it & HELP their child in a productive & healthy manner.
And that is hard. The hardest part of it all. And that is why so many parents bail out. It's not fun. It's not easy. And sometimes it doesn't turn out so great. But to sit on the sidelines & be passive about it is even more dangerous.
Thanks for the voice of reason post.
Yes, a very horrible tragedy...but SO many of these tragedies revolve around chaotic & unconventional home situations that the parents created.
Why is a mother asleep on the couch while an 11 year old and 7 year old get themselves ready and off to school? And why was she asleep while the 4 year old was wandering around?
Where are the fathers (the kids don't look anything alike) of the Kenzie's girls? Where is the mother of Jordan?
Sorry, but no matter what the Houk's say...this does not sound like a wholesome Cleaver family.
Why is a mother asleep on the couch while an 11 year old and 7 year old get themselves ready and off to school? And why was she asleep while the 4 year old was wandering around?
Where are the fathers (the kids don't look anything alike) of the Kenzie's girls? Where is the mother of Jordan?
Sorry, but no matter what the Houk's say...this does not sound like a wholesome Cleaver family.
As much as I disagree with everyone's actions in this (the father, the kid, the GF), an 11 year old SHOULD be able to get themselves ready for school unsupervised.
Unreal! The kid looks like a little devil. I hope they throw the book at the little sht... He knows what he was doing.
They said the PA law says you can try a kid for murder at the age of 10 and above!!so there ya go. His spineless lawyer is denying he even shot the poor girl!!
It is NEVER appropriate to try a 10 year old for murder as an adult. He knew what he was doing was wrong, but he didn't fully comprehend it or have any understanding of it in even close to the same manner as you or I would.
He knew what he was doing was wrong, but he didn't fully comprehend it or have any understanding of it in even close to the same manner as you or I would.
Agreed, he may not understand the gravity of his actions. But this does not make him any less guilty of the crime. He did it. He meant to do it. He has killed animals and KNOWS what dead means
Mentally ill people are often sentenced to prison time and their IQs are probably lower than this kid. This was PRE MEDITATED. NOT passion or accidental.
It's been at least two months that he's made the threats," Debbie Houk said, adding that Jordan "just bucked her (Kenzie) a lot when his Dad wasn't around."
"Chris was good about it. He tried. He told him, 'Don't you ever disrespect her,'" Debbie Houk added.
Jordan Brown was charged as an adult Saturday with killing Houk and her unborn baby boy the day before as she lay in her bed.
Authorities believe the killing was premeditated. They say Brown came downstairs with two guns, but returned upstairs after Houk's 7-year-old daughter saw him; they believe he then hid the gun in a blanket and came back downstairs to Houk's bedroom and shot her in the back of the head.
Debbie Houk said Jordan, a hunter, knew a lot about guns and was a good shot. On Valentine's Day, he beat out many older and more experienced hunters at a turkey shoot.
"I'll never cook that turkey. It's the same gun that killed my daughter," she said. "So he knew what a gun did. He knew the dangers of a gun."
As much as I disagree with everyone's actions in this (the father, the kid, the GF), an 11 year old SHOULD be able to get themselves ready for school unsupervised.
I am not excusing the 11 year old's actions. But the mothers that were discussing this were concerned because they always see their kids off to school and then make it to work. And it wasn't just an 11 year old at home, there was a 7 and 4 year old running around the house while she was sleeping. The 7 year old didn't even know the mother was dead and got on the bus with the 11 year old. It just seems as though the pregnant GF wasn't a saint like her family is saying and there wasn't alot of supervision in the household.
Even if it was premeditated and he understood, his father could have helped to prevent it by worrying more about taking care of his son than shacking up with his new GF.
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so there ya go. His spineless lawyer is denying he even shot the poor girl!!
