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Old 06-24-2010, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Over There
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Nope, just found the relation between education level and this particular religious belief to be very interesting. Perhaps you didn't catch it the first time:




Poll: 41 percent expect Jesus by 2050 - UPI.com
Oh I caught it but I don't necessarily believe it. I believe it depends on the area and the types of people you ask. Any poll can be pushed in one direction or another. I for one have a bachelors degree and my husband a masters and we both are Christians. Not fundies but believers none the less. So again any poll can be skewed.

The point I was trying to make though was, you said you were happy to see such a low % but the % was 41 that is not low. You then said you were speaking about the 19% which caused my reaction about you only caring about college educated people.
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Old 06-24-2010, 08:59 AM
 
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I'm just wondering if the OP understands how polls are conducted and what constitutes a legit and unbiased sample? Because ANYONE can take a poll and slant it in which ever way the so desire!

I'm sure anyone could conduct a poll that could show that non believers are poorer, less educated, and less content with life. . . But really, what is the value, what is the purpose of a poll like this? Does your poll make atheist feel better about themselves? Do they need to?
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Old 06-24-2010, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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41% is still a lot. Particularly when you're talking about something that hasn't an iota of proof to back it up.

I would assume most of them are the indoctrinated fundie/teabagger types.
Now we learn that people who are in the Teabag Movement are also the kind of Christians that people like you really don't like. Very humorous.
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Old 06-24-2010, 08:59 AM
 
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Rather childish but hey

Guess long as its not you being laughed at and ridiculed its all good then right

and i find it rather childish to believe in something "like" the Easter Bunny/Santa
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Old 06-24-2010, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Let me ask you all something say

Your child is really really sick in the hosp and they are running test on your child. Do you not have faith that your child is going to get better. Or are you just doom and gloom your child is doing to die

When your child or loved one walks outside for the day do you not believe or have faith that they will return home safe?

When you wake up in the morning do you not believe that you will live to go back to sleep in that bed?



It is no different then having faith that there is a GOD.
Nice try, but there are those here who won't be able to understand what you tried to tell them.
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Old 06-24-2010, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Arizona High Desert
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If Jesus is in their hearts..then he never left, so why all the fanfare surrounding a return ???
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Old 06-24-2010, 09:03 AM
 
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Let me ask you all something say

Your child is really really sick in the hosp and they are running test on your child. Do you not have faith that your child is going to get better. Or are you just doom and gloom your child is doing to die

When your child or loved one walks outside for the day do you not believe or have faith that they will return home safe?

When you wake up in the morning do you not believe that you will live to go back to sleep in that bed?



It is no different then having faith that there is a GOD.
To answer your questions. NO. none of it. If my child is sick, i just hope that he gets better. I have no urge to clutch a cross or "pray".
When my child walks out the door, i hope that he is ok and returns fine. I dont need an "all knowing being" to look over him.
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Old 06-24-2010, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Washington state
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Nice try, but there are those here who won't be able to understand what you tried to tell them.

Yep..we're not UNEDUCATED enough ..lol

Hey Roy, I believe in the tooth fairy...does that make me okay?
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Old 06-24-2010, 09:05 AM
 
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Me too.

But I also find it interesting that the OP had to, once again try to put down Christians with the education level remark. I bet this poll, data is very scientifically based. wink wink!
That's right, continue to IGNORE facts. You're having a hard time digesting that, huh?
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Old 06-24-2010, 09:06 AM
 
Location: S.E. US
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That's nice for your wife. Yet according to the poll, if she believes JC is coming back soon, she's in the distinct minority among educated people.

This is a belief driven by the uneducated.. Something you can say for all religions.
And that is a conclusion driven by the 1) uninformed, or 2) over educated.

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I find nothing extraordinary about this finding. Nor do I find anything extraordinary about the fact that believers are slightly less educated than the American public.

The education aspect is in keeping with long standing trends. People who have a deep belief in Christianity tend to be slightly less educated than the population at large. Generally the most educated have no particular religious conviction.

Further, the bible is replete with reference to “the soon coming” of Christ. So it makes perfect sense that 41% of Americans would hold some eschatological position that Christ will come within their lifetime.

I suspect that this number is drastically lower even among Evangelicals than it was in the 1970’s when the world was vastly less stable. If one were to do this poll in 1973 or so I suspect that number would be closer to 60%.
Faith and education are not interdependent. Do you think they are?

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Sadly Hawkeye, I am unable to rep this post.... maybe someone who can will rep you for me?

You are soooooo completely right! LOL!
I did already, earlier!

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Even Jesus himself apparently did not know when he would return. His personal predictions turned out to be wrong.

Matthew 24:34: "...This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."
And Jesus said no one knows but the Father. By the way, do you know what this verse actaully means? Being logical and literal, are you understanding that to mean HIS generation? Think again. What generation is He referring to?

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I agree with you.

I'm a Christian & I was also taught that the day is unknown and no one should try to project when it will happen.

Remember how a lot of people use to say he would return in the year 2000 & the world will end?

Lately I've been hearing many people saying he's going to return in 2012.

All of these figures are wrong & it's nothing but evil views trying to make everyone live in fear.

All I can say is that everyone should just pray & never try to figure the date or you'll find yourselves living in fear for the rest of your life.
To a Christian (highly educated or not), His return is not a fearful thing.

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Again, I am sure this research is impecable (Lol) and the sample was large and unbiased. ha ha. Only 19% huh?

I would love to see how they conducted this!

I would also love to see the % of non high school graduates who voted for Obama. Now THAT would be of interest.
I was wondering the same thing. Too bad I can't rep you again. Great points!

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